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Rust dust

billybovine

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I was doing an oil change and inspection. This is what I found, picture below. Called the dealer. Because it is still under extended warranty. They are really busy so next available appointment is October 14th. So I put it back together and will drive it until then. If it was not under warranty I would have just bought a new pulley, grease and replaced it.
 

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It's not that big of a deal to do that job!! I know what your saying about having them do it, you've payed for it! But I would make them give me the stuff and be done with it knowing that it's not going to rip you teeth off the shaft! It will take them all of what a hour to do the job and your waiting that long!! For what it's worth that's my 2 cents! If they have to order the part it will probably take 15-20 days to get it, I just had a water pump shaft take almost that to get, darn virus crap!!! Good luck, hope it go any further than it's already has!!!
 
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have the dealer add loctite moly paste to the shaft splines before installing the new pulley. Its fretting and breaking down the pulley. The dealers should be pulling all these and getting ahead of the problem, but seem content to let one after the other fail and then address the problem. Took my dealer 6.5hrs to get my old pulley off. It didn't fail as I caught the dusting, but it was stuck. Best of luck in your fix..
 

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I have 17,000 miles on my F3L. No red dust. Should I remove the pully and put the moly paste lube on as a precaution. If so where can you buy it.
 
I have 17,000 miles on my F3L. No red dust. Should I remove the pully and put the moly paste lube on as a precaution. If so where can you buy it.
Me personally i would want to make sure something was on the splines, but that's your choice to make. Once the dust appears its time to replace the pulley. The dealer set my belt tension too high after tire replacement which may have contributed to my problem. I only had 10.5k miles on my 17 Daytona Edition. The bolt is a one time use and some guys replace their pulley every other oil change. I bought the paste from walmart.com. Now that i have paste on there I'm just going to monitor the condition of the pulley.
 
Me personally i would want to make sure something was on the splines, but that's your choice to make. Once the dust appears its time to replace the pulley. The dealer set my belt tension too high after tire replacement which may have contributed to my problem. I only had 10.5k miles on my 17 Daytona Edition. The bolt is a one time use and some guys replace their pulley every other oil change. I bought the paste from walmart.com. Now that i have paste on there I'm just going to monitor the condition of the pulley.

I like the way you mark your washer and pulley for a reference!!!! good idea
 
you state that the 'dealer should pull them all'... however, i'm more along the lines of thinking that BRP should research this issue, and develop a FIX so this never happens again to another SPYD3R.... this problem started back in 2015 and is ON-GOING to this day... we pay enough for these toys, that an issue that is so prevalent should be addressed by the manufacturer... BIG WRIST SLAP to BRP....
i'm off to 'mark' my washer & pulley... gr8 idea, THX....
DAN
SPYD3R
 
So the mark is just there to show if the pulley has moved or not??
Just a reference mark for the bolt. I have zero confidence in the dealer that did the work on my spyder and this is just for my peace of mind the bolt isn't backing out. these are the same guys who adjusted my belt so tight it could be picked like a guitar string..
 
you state that the 'dealer should pull them all'... however, i'm more along the lines of thinking that BRP should research this issue, and develop a FIX so this never happens again to another SPYD3R.... this problem started back in 2015 and is ON-GOING to this day... we pay enough for these toys, that an issue that is so prevalent should be addressed by the manufacturer... BIG WRIST SLAP to BRP....
i'm off to 'mark' my washer & pulley... gr8 idea, THX....
DAN
SPYD3R

My statement was more a reference for the spyders already on dealer showrooms. yes, this should be addressed at the factory and i honestly feel adding some lubricant (moly paste in my case) will protect the pulley and shaft from fretting. the little 8oz container i purchased could easily service 100 Spyders so no excuse this could not be done from the factory. Most people seem to just trust the dealer to replace the pulley and that's all they do. I see from personal experience with BRP and their dealers the customer has to be more hands on to make sure things are done properly. I'll see if using the paste resolves the problem as i'm an aggressive rider.
 
My statement was more a reference for the spyders already on dealer showrooms. yes, this should be addressed at the factory and i honestly feel adding some lubricant (moly paste in my case) will protect the pulley and shaft from fretting. the little 8oz container i purchased could easily service 100 Spyders so no excuse this could not be done from the factory. Most people seem to just trust the dealer to replace the pulley and that's all they do. I see from personal experience with BRP and their dealers the customer has to be more hands on to make sure things are done properly. I'll see if using the paste resolves the problem as i'm an aggressive rider.

KEEP US POSTED on any updates B-LINE....
and THX a bunch...
Dan
SPYD3R
 
OMG, JUST GOT BIT BY THE 'RED RUST DUST' MONSTER......
lucky i was on this website this AM... i went out to 'mark' my 'washer & bolt', and low & behold, RUST DUST....
i bot my ride in Dec. 2019, it's a 2019 F3, and it only has 4438.4 miles on her, and now this.... it's absolute BS in my estimation that BRP has let this issue continue for the past 4 or 5 yrs...
check out the pix....
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calling the dealer tomorrow... hopefully they'll have a sprocket on hand...
Dan
SPYD3R
 
OMG, JUST GOT BIT BY THE 'RED RUST DUST' MONSTER......
lucky i was on this website this AM... i went out to 'mark' my 'washer & bolt', and low & behold, RUST DUST....
i bot my ride in Dec. 2019, it's a 2019 F3, and it only has 4438.4 miles on her, and now this.... it's absolute BS in my estimation that BRP has let this issue continue for the past 4 or 5 yrs...
check out the pix....
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calling the dealer tomorrow... hopefully they'll have a sprocket on hand...
Dan
SPYD3R

You caught it really early. They may only take it apart, clean and grease it. If I remember correctly the TSB says that the pulley is only replaced when there is wear on the pulley.
 
You caught it really early. They may only take it apart, clean and grease it. If I remember correctly the TSB says that the pulley is only replaced when there is wear on the pulley.

B-vine;
just how is 'WEAR' classified...??? who makes this call...?
if not replaced NOW, it WILL NEED REPLACING soon... why would they mess around, obviously - the TSB is BS.... they should just do the right thing NOW... luckily i bot the extended warrantee, (6 yrs),... @ 72 yrs of age, i just DO NOT need this aggravation... BRP is really piss'n me off now...
Dan
SPYD3R
 
B-vine;
just how is 'WEAR' classified...??? who makes this call...?
if not replaced NOW, it WILL NEED REPLACING soon... why would they mess around, obviously - the TSB is BS.... they should just do the right thing NOW... luckily i bot the extended warrantee, (6 yrs),... @ 72 yrs of age, i just DO NOT need this aggravation... BRP is really piss'n me off now...
Dan
SPYD3R

Sucks it's already started, good that you caught it. At least you marked the parts for future reference. My dealer looked at me confused when i showed them the level of decay on my pulley. The rust IS wear on the pulley yet they didn't want to address it as a warranty or recall problem because it had not failed. I chose to pay for the new pulley/bolt and labor to replace it. they made a point to say they would not charge me to apply the paste..wow..My old pulley was identical to yours and had the same date stamp even though mine is a '17. The new one has a stamp, but is on the back, 4/2019, I believe and has a slight design change.
 
BRP needs to amend the maintenance task list to include removing the pulley, clean the pulley and gearbox splines, inspect for wear, if none is found, prepare the original pulley for reuse with lubricant or if wear is noted, replace with a new or serviceable pulley that is lubricated at installation.

If other manufacturers have spline lubrication intervals, then the pulley spline requiring routine servicing is not incorrect.
 
Just a reference mark for the bolt. I have zero confidence in the dealer that did the work on my spyder and this is just for my peace of mind the bolt isn't backing out. these are the same guys who adjusted my belt so tight it could be picked like a guitar string..


Years ago I too did the witness mark setup. At the time the mass majority of sheeple insisted the bolts had worked loose causing these problems.

Being concerned as you are to the incompetence of the dealer that installed the pulley, you might recheck the bolt is properly tightened. I would speculate that the shop merely zipped it on with an impact gun, never bothering to get the torque wrench. Even if they do, no assurance the torque wrench is accurate.

As flat rate workers, some may do a great job, while many would likely simply wipe those gearbox splines and not bother to remove the oxide particles which is the abrasive element. Those gearbox splines need to be very clean, same with the pulley, then fully coat both with the lubricant.

I can hear it now, bike on lift, zip bolt out with impact gun, with rear wheel raised walk belt off rear pulley, remove old pulley, install new pulley, zip bolt in snug, reinstall belt by walking it back on to rear pulley, set rear tire on ground, fully zip new bolt tight. Done. Simple and flat rate fast. Paying customer is not wise to any of it, the pulley lasts well beyond any local dealers window of warranty liability.

Repeat at the next sign of red dust.
 
have the dealer add loctite moly paste to the shaft splines before installing the new pulley. Its fretting and breaking down the pulley. The dealers should be pulling all these and getting ahead of the problem, but seem content to let one after the other fail and then address the problem. Took my dealer 6.5hrs to get my old pulley off. It didn't fail as I caught the dusting, but it was stuck. Best of luck in your fix..

HELP me out here.... the SPROCKET slips onto a SPLINE... what is the purpose for the LUBE, and how does it effect the assembly...???
Dan
SPYD3R
 
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