Risers and spacers......

[Magic Man]

Although most of you have had no problem figuring out that the black plastic spacer that is on the right handle bar on the SM5 models because it has no front brake lever, is just to be slid off the old bar and slid in the new bar in the same location.

Still we have had some calls regarding this. :dontknow:

So, to help you with future installs...

The black plastic spacer that is just inside of the right side switch cointrols is to be slid off the old bar before you install the riser body and cut the bar. Then it is to be put back in the same location on the new upper bar stock once the riser is installed.

Although our SE5 has not gottren here yet.

The SE5 models have the same kind of spacer on the left side because of it's lack of clutch master cylinder on that side as well.

Again these spacers are to be removed before the riser body is slid on the bars and is to be transfered over onto the new upper bar stock on the riser kit.

I hope this helps helps any of you who may have questions on this. :thumbup:

MM

 

[Lamonster]

Too long is better than too short. pps:

One more cut and he'll be good :thumbup:

 

[effgjamis]

Although most of you have had no problem figuring out that the black plastic spacer that is on the right handle bar on the SM5 models because it has no front brake lever, is just to be slid off the old bar and slid in the new bar in the same location.

Still we have had some calls regarding this. :dontknow:

So, to help you with future installs...

The black plastic spacer that is just inside of the right side switch cointrols is to be slid off the old bar before you install the riser body and cut the bar. Then it is to be put back in the same location on the new upper bar stock once the riser is installed.

Although our SM5 has not gottren here yet.

The SM5 models have the same kind of spacer on the left side because of it's lack of clutch master cylinder on that side as well.

Again these spacers are to be removed before the riser body is slid on the bars and is to be transfered over onto the new upper bar stock on the riser kit.

I hope this helps helps any of you who may have questions on this. :thumbup:

MM

Wish I had this info about 5 hrs ago.

The SM5 models have the same kind of spacer on the left side because of it's lack of clutch master cylinder on that side as well. /quote

Don't you mean SE5... Mine is a SM5 and no left side spacer.

 

[Magic Man]

Don't you mean SE5... Mine is a SM5 and no left side spacer.

Yes should say SE5 as can be seen here in this photo. Although it is not as big as the SM5 spacer the SE5 units have one on each side.

 

[TonyMac]

Too long is better than too short. pps:

One more cut and he'll be good :thumbup:

Lovely! Now I'm going to have to wait until I get home to see if I cut the right side too short :yikes:

That's kind of an important detail, don't cha think?

 

[Magic Man]

Lovely! Now I'm going to have to wait until I get home to see if I cut the right side too short :yikes:

That's kind of an important detail, don't cha think?

No it's impossiable to cut it too short by leaving the spacer on the bar!

It would be that you cut it too long by leaving the spacer on the bar!

If you did cut it too long all you have to do is remove the spacer re-mark the bar and cut it the correct length.

So even if you left it too long it's just re-measuring it and cutting it down to make correct. '

MM

 

[TonyMac]

No it's impossiable to cut it too short by leaving the spacer on the bar!

It would be that you cut it too long by leaving the spacer on the bar!

If you did cut it too long all you have to do is remove the spacer re-mark the bar and cut it the correct length.

So even if you left it too long it's just re-measuring it and cutting it down to make correct. '

MM

Whew! Thanks :2thumbs:

 

[cisaacs]

I was waiting on this to hit the site. At least he kept my picture out. I don't have any idea why I did not take it off when I marked the bar but I did. Oh well a quick fix as soon as I get a new pipe cutter. I broke both of the pipe cutters I borrowed to do the install with, that fall back on my bad luck thing.

 

[Magic Man]

Whew! Thanks :2thumbs:

No Problem!

Sometimes when trying to write instructions it's hard to think of every possible question a person could have. :dontknow:

Sometimes I have to remember what I take for granted being an AMI grad and ASE master tech is not the same things that everyone else knows.

That said, it's sometimes hard to remember not everyone knows what I take for granted knowing on how things go together and work.

So, if any of you have any other questions please ask, as I'd rather help than have any of you have trouble. :thumbup:

MM

 

[fleet]

SE5

Mr.Magic

So on the SE5 , if you relocate everything from the original bar to the new bar - grips , control unit, spacer - the new total handlebar width - end to end of the handlebar will be 7/8" x 2 or 1 3/4" more than the original handlebar width when you finish due to the width of the riser ( 7/8" ) on each side. Right ?

Also the riser has to be tilted toward the rider so the bottom of the control housing doesn't hit the riser. This would make routing the 2 multicables through the riser hole very difficult. Which may be a good thing since you wouldn't have to disconnect / unplug these cables - even if they did unplug ( don't know - do they unplug somewhere in the inner guts of the Spyder ? ) and the connector on the end would fit through the hole in the riser. Or do they plug into something in the control unit housing itself ?

Please confirm and advise - I'm gonna try to install them tomorrow.

 

[Magic Man]

Mr.Magic

So on the SE5 , if you relocate everything from the original bar to the new bar - grips , control unit, spacer - the new total handlebar width - end to end of the handlebar will be 7/8" x 2 or 1 3/4" more than the original handlebar width when you finish due to the width of the riser ( 7/8" ) on each side. Right ?

Also the riser has to be tilted toward the rider so the bottom of the control housing doesn't hit the riser. This would make routing the 2 multicables through the riser hole very difficult. Which may be a good thing since you wouldn't have to disconnect / unplug these cables - even if they did unplug ( don't know - do they unplug somewhere in the inner guts of the Spyder ? ) and the connector on the end would fit through the hole in the riser. Or do they plug into something in the control unit housing itself ?

Please confirm and advise - I'm gonna try to install them tomorrow.

As we told everyone we did not ever install these on an SE5 as they did not come out until after we did the R&D on the risers.

However right now it looks as if we are going to have to redesign the left side riser for the SE5 models as our other post says.

Not that it can't be made to work as is. But right now if anyone has an SE5 we are recomending they wait till we redesign the left side to be an exact fit for these new bikes.

If you would like to return your set until then it will be no problem just let us know.

MM

 

[fleet]

Mr.Magic

Since it may take a while for ya'll to design and manufacture the new left side ones, can I keep and temporarily put on the one I've got ( even though it's gonna look funny ) until the new ones are ready then swap it out for the redesigned correct one ?

 

[spyder-dude]

So if you didn't put that black space on before cutting the bars then it will be not correct then eh?

Well I followed the instructions that didn't mention putting the black spacer back on.

 

[TonyMac]

Whew! Thanks :2thumbs:

BTW, got home and confirmed that I did indeed do it right the first time.

When I looked at it, it looked right because the spacing would have stood out like a sore thumb. I'm not a mechanic, but my Dad was and taught us kids to do all kinds of stuff including whole engine replacement so I do have some skills. I'm just middle aged and middle class and pay someone to change my oil. :joke:

BTW, are the end caps all that keep the grips in place or do you add something?

Thanks in advance, Tony

 

[Magic Man]

Since it may take a while for ya'll to design and manufacture the new left side ones, can I keep and temporarily put on the one I've got ( even though it's gonna look funny ) until the new ones are ready then swap it out for the redesigned correct one ?

Sorry that won't work here.

Although we try to help everyone out as much as we can. It is not our fault that BRP decided to make the SE5 controls different than the SM5 layout. Nor that they have not delivered our SE5 unit yet, as well as back-ordered our order for a switch control housing for testing.

In as much we are willing to give a full refund for anyone who has this kit and an SE5. However "lending parts" is not something we are in the business to do.

We have no problem refunding your money on this set with a return on new UNUSED riser set. However we are not in the parts loaning business ether.

We can't sell a used riser to someone else as new once returned if it was used on your bike, and we have no use for used risers ourself.

Just like you had to wait a bit longer than SM5 owners to even get your SE5, it looks like there is going to be a bit of a wait for SE5 risers as well.

If you want to use these because you wish not to wait that is your choice as we can't stop you.

However it is our official position for both safety and performance reasons that you wait until the proper SE5 version of this riser kit is available.

If you do use this kit on your Spyder in spite of our recommendation, unfortunately we will not be able to exchange it in the future once used.

MM

 

[fleet]

Assumption

I understand the liability but I sure wish ya'll hadn't assumed that the SM5 risers would fit the SE5 when I ordered back in July.

 

[Magic Man]

I understand the liability but I sure wish ya'll hadn't assumed that the SM5 risers would fit the SE5 when I ordered back in July.

Without a unit in hand there was no way anyone could have known. Nor without our SE5 delivered or even the switch control being available there is no way any design work could have been done by anyone ether.

However even if you knew back in July it would have changed what? We still don't have one made that fits it ether way.

However if you need risers right now might I suggest you look at the KEWLMETAL conversion kit for your Spyder.

MM

 

[fleet]

Copy of the NM response To My Question 7/18

07-18-2008, 03:18 PM #39 Magic Man
Senior Member

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Schenectady NY
Posts: 405

Quote:
Originally Posted by fleet
I ordered the SE5 - Do the risers fit the same way ? Any problems with the paddle shifter thing-a-ma-doodle ?


Nope, go right on the same way!

MM
__________________

This response from you was copied / pasted from 7/18 - 3:18 PM when I originally ordered .

I will check out the other risers. How do you want them shipped back ?

 

[Magic Man]

.....and back then before anybody had ever seen an SE5 up close to work on, we all did think they would work on this model. Lamonster, our machinist and myself all though it would still fit OK from the quick looks we could get at an SE5 model.

So, like a said before. Even if we knew that then what would have changed? We still can't design anything until our SE5 or switch pack comes in. Which unfortunately nether has yet. So our SE5 risers whether ordered back then or now are still not ready yet.

However, ordering your SE5 units back than did still put you on top of the SE5 list to get them when ready. So, I don't see the problem being on the top of list from whatever date. But just because you want a set now does not make them ready sooner.

Because you seem to need these right now and it will be a bit more time before our SE5 units are ready, again might I suggest you to get yourself a Kewl Metal set up? Because it is becoming clear this will not be the product for you, as it will still be some more time to design a SE5 specific riser set up and you need yours now.

So, yes by all means ship them back and we'll send out your refund immediately! We are sorry for the confusion that the changes BRP made to the SE5 unit has caused everyone.

MM

 

[Gizmo]

My son and I installed my 4" risers today. It went fairly well, except my new
tubing cutter left a ridge on the end of the bar that we ground back down
with a die grinder. Regarding the black spacer on the throttle side, we had
to grind or sand off about 1/8" to make it fit the new bar better. Took us
about an hour and forty five minutes to complete the mod.
What a world of difference it has made to the ride and my back. Also put
in amber fender lights today. Next mod will be painting the silver parts
black cherry metallic over the winter lay up. Thought about purple pearl
but decided that I would like the black cherry better, had a 57' chevy
painted that color and liked it very much. Can't afford a muffler change
yet but I am going to save up for one.

Mike