Respect and Discipline

[Fatcycledaddy]

Something missing today!!
Respect and Discipline were things that used to be taught in school and to all children. In most cases discipline was what created respect. When I was a child I crawled into the dogs house to see its new puppies, the dog protecting it puppies bit me causing me to have respect for her, her house, and her puppies.
When I acted out in school and disrupted class I was whacked across the hands with the long pointer that the teacher used at the black board. This made me respect the teacher and made me follow the instructions I was given.
When my mother told me to finish my homework and I went out and played instead, I was spanked, grounded, and lost some of my privileges until I complied with what she asked.
I was taught respect for people and had a fear of what could happen to me if I didn't do what I was instructed to do. I feared what my Mom and Dad would do if they found out I didn't have respect for people older than me who had authority over me. When I went to school that first day, my parents passed retained their authority over me but set the school staff as second in command until I arrived in their presence again. At that time they talked about the school day, how it went, if I had any problems, and if I had obeyed the people they had given the authority too.
I feared my parents and what they could do to me causing me to respect them. My parents loved me dearly and would defend me to the bitter end if I was correct in what I had done, but they also would be the first one to chastise me if I was in the wrong. That fear of my parents was a fear of them holding me to a higher standard and me disappointing them with foolish actions. They worked hard to have a great name in the community and they deserved more than me disrespecting them causing reproach to be brought on the family name. The family name was all that we had, we were poor people who had to work hard for everything we had, pick pickles for school clothes, new clothes to us were from the second hand store, yet we were always clean, not dressed in the latest fashions but well dressed, and we did what we said we would do, we were people who kept our word.

Now before someone gets upset about me fearing my parents, remember in the scriptures it speaks of fearing God. Fearing God does not mean you are afraid of God, you are afraid of disappointing him, and of what he can do to you, yet he is still the first one you run to when there is a problem you cant handle.

This is the same fear we used to be taught to give people of authority such as teachers, police officers, fireman, and military personnel. We were taught to respect them, comply with their request, and if it was something where we were in the right pursue it later. When we challenge authority we usually are the one that pays the price at the time the challenge is laid down because of the environment we are in and the adrenaline that is involved. If we comply without challenge at the time and then pursue a wrong doing later when we all have cooler heads we all would be better off.

We vilify people in authority when they use force to get us to comply and yet if we would comply force would not be needed.

The girl in SC would not have been thrown to the ground if she would have complied with what the officer requested at the time. The officer would not be put in the situation where he possibly could have harmed her, and possibly faces charges if she just would of had a little respect and fear instilled in her and she would have complied.

We need to teach our children and grand children to again respect authority, comply with request at the time, unless they are a threat to our life, and pursue any wrongdoings the next day after we think about it with a cooler head. It COULD save their lives!!!

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: Although the School's Administrators could have de-fused this situation rather easily:
Take the other students to another room (remove the audience)
take a seat next to the girl, and tell her to get comfortable...
Call her parents, and tell them to come get her: RIGHT NOW!
Then; sit and talk with her about actions, and their consequences... :thumbup:

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

:agree: also, the cop very much over reacted & should be prosecuted tho. i don't want to see the girl compensated in any way for disobeying a lawful order.
if the girl had done as told this never would have happened.
does anyone remember this famous line in history: if woody had gone to the police none of this would have happened.

 

[Bob Denman]

 

[jaherbst]

After the teacher, the principle and police told her to leave I see no other alternative. She got what she deserved Black or White. The officer was the last resort. Why are we allowing these things to go so far? Never reward bad behavior Black or White. And get rid of always using racism as an excuse. She was a High School student and certainly knew better. Let's see the first video also.

Jack

 

[Fatcycledaddy]

I am not sure that the cop over reacted, I wasn't there to hear what was said and see what happened. We are all to quick to judge without knowing all the facts. I am not saying the policeman was right, the girl was right, the policeman was wrong, or the girl was wrong, I am just saying that with a little respect from either side it all could have gone differently.

I do know however that the police walk a fine line that they have to maintain. If they allow a Little disrespect it gets pushed to a higher state next time, and then more, and more until they lose control. Remember there is one of him and how many students that could be potential problems at any given time of this confrontation.

I think Paul Harvey said it the best in the video link below!

 

[Chupaca]

Have to agree..!!

All of the above...not enough of either anymore. We need to get back to the basics.:banghead:

 

[Fatcycledaddy]

Ok I will get off of the soap box now

Back to the basics would be AWESOME!

Remember the time when a President spoke and the whole country turned on his word because we knew he spoke the truth? All of the things that the citizens did during the first and second world wars would likely not happen now.

During the Second World War, you couldn't just walk into a shop and buy as much sugar or butter or meat as you wanted, nor could you fill up your car with gasoline whenever you liked. All these things were rationed, which meant you were only allowed to buy a small amount (even if you could afford more). The government introduced rationing because certain things were in short supply during the war, and rationing was the only way to make sure everyone got their fair share.

Now if the Government ask us to do those things the average citizen would not believe it is required, why, because we have been blasted, and indoctrinated with too many untruths by the very same people. Sounds so much like the boy who cried wolf.

As stated by Bob earlier, there are "consequences" to every situation that will affect us. We MUST teach young people today that such consequences can be avoided with politeness and compliance. Retreating is not surrendering, it is living to fight another day. Politeness and compliance may go against the grain but the respect is deserved and required. If you were wronged in some way you don't argue with the man with the gun, you be polite, comply, and then live to fight another day, and in another way, but you LIVE to do it!!!

Never give up, never give in, just fight in a smarter way!

 

[garb55]

respect is something that is earned not something you fear
do you respect all politicians or do you respect the ones that do the right things
do you respect bullies because you fear them. I don't think so
etc. etc.

you obey because of someone's position
police, parents, law, teacher, etc.
there is a lot more to respect than fear

 

[Fatcycledaddy]

I agree there is more to respect than fear, however the fear is not being afraid of someone as in a bully because of what they can do to you or how they can hurt you.
Fear can also be when you are afraid you will let someone down, or as an example, hurt your wife's or loved ones feelings. You are not afraid of what they can do to you, you are afraid of letting them down and disappointing them. You respect or love them enough to have a fear of you not living up to their expectations.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

i always obey the police even if i don't respect the officer, if i feel he is overstepping his authority i go to precinct & file a report. have done so several times
but i will always try to do as told unless i believe he is just being a total dick when i have done nothing wrong.

 

[Bob Denman]

This is all actually very simple...
If someone in authority tells you to do something: DO IT! :thumbup:

 

[cuznjohn]

my old man used to say to me, if you get arrested I WILL BAIL YOU OUT,,, but when we get home YOU WILL WISH YOU WERE STILL IN JAIL!!!. now to know my old man you would believe what he said.

the problem with the kids today is they don't know fear or respect.

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: :gaah:
Don't you find it amusing, that back in the sixties, everybody was told to, "Question Authority"?

And they're doing it NOW!!! :shocked:

 

[Fatcycledaddy]

I find a big difference in "questioning authority" and blatant disregard or refusal to comply with authority.

Now that you mention it though I bet one could lead to the other.:banghead:

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: :gaah:

 

[ARtraveler]

Was wondering if the subject would come up here. Glad it has.

The "new way" is to provoke authority to try to get them to step over the line. The organization that cropped up in earlier disturbances now goes around the country to "train" people how to interact with the police. They have even been here.

A sad situation indeed. The "victim" has lawyered up, sports a band aid on her forehead from "rug burn," has a cast on, and is complaining of back and neck pain. I think most will see where that is going to go.

Arm chair quarterbacking will differ. It's hard to put ourselves into the moment and determine what we would have done in a similar situation.

Sorry to hear that the officer lost his job and may be subject to a lawsuit in addition. The whole thing is overkill on so many levels.

There is now a pattern developing in these kinds of situations. I for one, am sick of it. :thumbup:

 

[Fatcycledaddy]

Mistakes can and will be made by everyone as long as they are human. We all would like to be forgiven of the mistakes we have made and would love to have them forgotten.

We then want to hold other people in uniform to a much higher standard. They too are human, they too make mistakes, and even if no mistake was made they are accused by the other party, tried in the court of public opinion, and sentenced to a life of persecution for trying to do their job.

Ask yourself some questions, what would it be like without them?
Do you know what they have been put through in the time just before you encountered them?
Would you still want to do your job if you knew that you were going to be videoed and scrutinized ever time you tried to complete your job?

I am worried that because of the pressure they are under we will start loosing good people we currently have, and be unable to get new ones. Then what we will end up with are the ones who think they are God because they have a badge pinned to their chest and that is the only reason they want the job.

I have had more than my share of run ins with authority, I have questioned the opinions they have had of what I was stopped for, sometimes to my advantage and sometimes not. Each time I questioned it with respect for the person who stopped me, used a calm tone and never in any way made them think they needed to escalate it to the next level.

Are all people in position of authority good? That would be a no. They are in a position of authority and will put their life in danger any day to save yours and need to be treated as such.

I am not a policeman, have no friends or relatives that are, so I have no ulterior motives.

I am just old enough to recognize the lack of respect I see today as a dangerous thing and leading a lot of good young people down a wrong and dangerous path. The problem is, once they cross the line it can be a situation that is too late to ever come back from.

 

[bmccaffrey]

RESPECT

TAUGHT in the home. Not something your born with.

All the shootings not the gun. Lack of respect for life.

I'm thinking there is alot off parents need their ass kicked.

Poor kids my ass. TEACH THEM SOME RESPECT!!!!!!!

 

[thefishknot3]

Something missing today!!
Respect and Discipline were things that used to be taught in school and to all children. In most cases discipline was what created respect. When I was a child I crawled into the dogs house to see its new puppies, the dog protecting it puppies bit me causing me to have respect for her, her house, and her puppies.
When I acted out in school and disrupted class I was whacked across the hands with the long pointer that the teacher used at the black board. This made me respect the teacher and made me follow the instructions I was given.
When my mother told me to finish my homework and I went out and played instead, I was spanked, grounded, and lost some of my privileges until I complied with what she asked.
I was taught respect for people and had a fear of what could happen to me if I didn't do what I was instructed to do. I feared what my Mom and Dad would do if they found out I didn't have respect for people older than me who had authority over me. When I went to school that first day, my parents passed retained their authority over me but set the school staff as second in command until I arrived in their presence again. At that time they talked about the school day, how it went, if I had any problems, and if I had obeyed the people they had given the authority too.
I feared my parents and what they could do to me causing me to respect them. My parents loved me dearly and would defend me to the bitter end if I was correct in what I had done, but they also would be the first one to chastise me if I was in the wrong. That fear of my parents was a fear of them holding me to a higher standard and me disappointing them with foolish actions. They worked hard to have a great name in the community and they deserved more than me disrespecting them causing reproach to be brought on the family name. The family name was all that we had, we were poor people who had to work hard for everything we had, pick pickles for school clothes, new clothes to us were from the second hand store, yet we were always clean, not dressed in the latest fashions but well dressed, and we did what we said we would do, we were people who kept our word.

Now before someone gets upset about me fearing my parents, remember in the scriptures it speaks of fearing God. Fearing God does not mean you are afraid of God, you are afraid of disappointing him, and of what he can do to you, yet he is still the first one you run to when there is a problem you cant handle.

This is the same fear we used to be taught to give people of authority such as teachers, police officers, fireman, and military personnel. We were taught to respect them, comply with their request, and if it was something where we were in the right pursue it later. When we challenge authority we usually are the one that pays the price at the time the challenge is laid down because of the environment we are in and the adrenaline that is involved. If we comply without challenge at the time and then pursue a wrong doing later when we all have cooler heads we all would be better off.

We vilify people in authority when they use force to get us to comply and yet if we would comply force would not be needed.

The girl in SC would not have been thrown to the ground if she would have complied with what the officer requested at the time. The officer would not be put in the situation where he possibly could have harmed her, and possibly faces charges if she just would of had a little respect and fear instilled in her and she would have complied.

We need to teach our children and grand children to again respect authority, comply with request at the time, unless they are a threat to our life, and pursue any wrongdoings the next day after we think about it with a cooler head. It COULD save their lives!!!

I couldn't have said it better! You are so correct ! Now a good abiding citizen (the officer) loses his job, for doing his "job".


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