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REMEMBER

Thank you for posting the remembrance. Going to be looking to see how much this is mentioned in the current media. I am thinking...it is fading away.

I was born a couple months after they dropped "the bomb." I have uncles who served though. :thumbup::thumbup:
 
There should be a Universal Draft, like during the Vietnam days, and all males and females should have to serve 2 years once they graduate High School or turn 19, whichever comes first. No deferments and all start as buck privates. Imagine what our national leadership class would look like if everyone had served in the military - and their children were at risk.

I'm not sure if it would make a difference to our "leaders". Nixon served. So did LBJ and look what lousy administrations they had. I can also tell you there were damn few politicians children who served and most of those were well behind the lines.

But reinstating the draft won't work. Vietnam taught our "leaders" they cannot wage war any longer with conscripted troops. It would take something like the Pearl Harbor attack for the nation to get behind a declaration of war. These political wars and police actions our "leaders" continue to wage are generally unsupported by the nation as a whole and there would be riots in the streets if our sons and daughters were drafted into mandatory military service.

My father and his two brothers all served in WWII - my dad almost losing his life in the Leyte invasion. I served in Vietnam and was already in the navy when it got hot or I would be posting today from Canada. One of my sons did several tours in the mid-east in the Marine Corps. For my dad, myself and my sons it wasn't worth it. I would fight again only if it were a matter of survival - and then the enemy would have to be in Kansas City and headed West.
 
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There should be a Universal Draft, like during the Vietnam days, and all males and females should have to serve 2 years once they graduate High School or turn 19, whichever comes first. No deferments and all start as buck privates. Imagine what our national leadership class would look like if everyone had served in the military - and their children were at risk.

I'm not sure if it would make a difference to our "leaders". Nixon served. So did LBJ and look what lousy administrations they had. I can also tell you there were damn few politicians children who served and most of those were well behind the lines.

The problem is, if they served at all, they served as officers, not grunts. And never in combat, to my knowledge.
 
The problem is, if they served at all, they served as officers, not grunts. And never in combat, to my knowledge.

The only four presidents who served in combat during the 20th Century were Teddy Roosevelt (Cuba), Truman (WWI artillery Europe), JFK (Navy, South Pacific) and Bush 41 (Navy air Pacific).

LBJ and Nixon were both officers and rode a desk stateside.

Carter was a Navy officer in the nuclear sub program (no combat).

FDR didn't serve for obvious reasons but did serve as Ass't Sec'ty of the navy during WWI and the longest serving president in USA history.

No presidents of the 21st Century have served in military combat. Bush 43 was in the USAF, also serving in the TX and AL National Guard (no combat and apparently not much attendance either).
 
Jeez, I just put up a little post about a day in our nation's history, and folks are getting their knickers in a twist about crap we can't do anything about anyway. Who did/did not do what when or where, who did/did not serve, what president did this or that has NOTHING to do with my intent for this thread. If you can't be nice, butt out.
 
There should be a Universal Draft, like during the Vietnam days, and all males and females should have to serve 2 years once they graduate High School or turn 19, whichever comes first. No deferments and all start as buck privates. Imagine what our national leadership class would look like if everyone had served in the military - and their children were at risk.
The draft during Vietnam War wasn't universal. The draft was administered on the local level by boards who operated as part of the "Selective Service". The key word is "selective". A universal draft would be a lot different than the selective process of the past. One of the guys in my church was in the Marines during the transition from a draft service to volunteer service. He said there was a significant and notable increase in the quality of service personnel after the services became voluntary. No more "your choice is prison or the Army" guys.
 
The draft during Vietnam War wasn't universal. The draft was administered on the local level by boards who operated as part of the "Selective Service". The key word is "selective". A universal draft would be a lot different than the selective process of the past. One of the guys in my church was in the Marines during the transition from a draft service to volunteer service. He said there was a significant and notable increase in the quality of service personnel after the services became voluntary. No more "your choice is prison or the Army" guys.

I joined the Navy 5 days after high school graduation in 1962. Wanted to get my service obligation out of the way. Among the rest of my shipmates ((with whom I spent 3 years aboard a destroyer) a significant number had completed or had several years of college. For whatever reason they opted to enlist rather than go for OCS ("90 Day Wonders").

The draft was very selective. You could evade service for any number of large or small reasons: religious, bone spurs, color blind, eyesight, hearing, flat feet, college enrollment or because your family had the political or financial pull to defer you). It was anything but fair and it meant that those who were drafted into the Vietnam War later on became nothing more than cannon fodder.

I have often said that the fastest way to cancel a war is to initiate the draft. And, if our youth quit volunteering "to defend America" the politicians would have no choice but to look for other ways to find peace.

Most people who have been in a war will do most anything to avoid the next one.
 
I have often said that the fastest way to cancel a war is to initiate the draft. And, if our youth quit volunteering "to defend America" the politicians would have no choice but to look for other ways to find peace. Most people who have been in a war will do most anything to avoid the next one.
Amen to that!
 
Jeez, I just put up a little post about a day in our nation's history, and folks are getting their knickers in a twist about crap we can't do anything about anyway. Who did/did not do what when or where, who did/did not serve, what president did this or that has NOTHING to do with my intent for this thread. If you can't be nice, butt out.

So back to the original purpose of this post,my Dad joined the Navy right after Pearl and went to OCS. He served as a Lt(jg) on board the CV4 Curtis (Sea Plane Tender) which was Kamakazied off of Okinawa in June of 1945. He met my mom in Hawaii. She was living up above Pearl when the attack came. I have never or ever will forget Dec 7 tho less seems to be made of it every year. Thanks Oldguy for starting this thread and helping us all to remember our valiant service people regardless of the war or circumstances of enlistment.
 
The draft was very selective. You could evade service for any number of large or small reasons: religious, bone spurs, color blind, eyesight, hearing, flat feet, college enrollment or because your family had the political or financial pull to defer you). It was anything but fair and it meant that those who were drafted into the Vietnam War later on became nothing more than cannon fodder.
I must take exception to your application of 'evade' to all cases, although I can well understand why many, particularly those who served in the military, would agree with you. To me, evade applies to those who fled the country, went into hiding, or faked physical infirmities and religious convictions to take advantage of the law. For those who, like me, complied with the law, avoid is the correct term. I didn't evade the draft but I did avoid it. I conformed to the requirements spelled out for a student deferment, an occupational deferment, a family deferment, and finally was awarded a high number in the draft lottery. I'm not proud of not having served, but when you're 20 years old and Congress made it easy to get deferments, and you were looking at the possibility of getting shot up in an Asian jungle, taking advantage of deferments was an easy decision. When I went to college it was not limited to financially well off families. My dad had been dead for years and we were a poor family. National Defense Education Act loans, private loans, some scholarship money, and work paid for my state University education. My older brother, who was rejected when he reported for his draft physical because he was in veterinary college, and I decided that Uncle did not do us any favors with the readily available student deferments.

The draft was unquestionably skewed in the demographics of the ones who got drafted, but don't blame the young men of the time, blame Congress. They made the law.

Years later a retired Army Colonel told me to never think I did not do my part in supporting the military. I spent 7 years working for the Army overseeing the quality assurance programs of ammunition production. He said making sure the ammunition sent to the troops was correctly manufactured was a very important contribution to the effort of protecting our country.
 
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