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Red Dust of Death Recall???? Front Sprocket Recall - FINALLY....

I've just added the '2015 RT SM6' to your Signature line in your User Profile for you, so now after you log out & then log back in again, if you've ticked all the 'display signature' boxes, it should display on every post you make. :thumbup: PLease PM me if it doesn't... ;)

You can always edit your Signature line (sig line) further if you wish via 'My Profile' button up in the top Right of every page, and tick the 'display signature' boxes in 'Settings' just to the Right of that! :ohyea:

Peter,
Thanks, I've attempted several times yesterday and was unsuccessful.
Dick Prince
 
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When the sprocket failed on my wife's used purchased '15 F3S at 25k miles, the dealer showed me the old sprocket. The ''teeth'' or splines on the old one had rounded right out of it. They were gone.
I suspect when they made the sprockets the centers were not heat treated enough to increase their strength, so the splines were not strong enough to handle the torque loads or quite a few of them got through quality control if they were even hardened.
Sprocket steel seemed to be a lot ''softer'' than the hardened trans. output shaft.
Possibly the new white one has a harder metal center section to better match up to the trans. shaft metal hardness.
That's my take on it.
 
I saw this recall notice on the BRP / Can Am website a couple of days ago. The letter said that dealers were doing "temporary" repairs after 06/30/22, and that the "permanent" recall parts would begin arriving at dealers after (I think) 08/30/22. Here's the URL for the Safety Recall page - it's the very first notice 5/26/22.

https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/us/en/owner-zone/safety-recalls.html

I looked it up as some of the Spyders I've been looking at would be subject to this recall. The one I'm looking at Monday is at a dealer who already did the temporary repair as of yesterday. I was glad I found this out NOW - hope it'll help someone else.
 
When the sprocket failed on my wife's used purchased '15 F3S at 25k miles, the dealer showed me the old sprocket. The ''teeth'' or splines on the old one had rounded right out of it. They were gone.
I suspect when they made the sprockets the centers were not heat treated enough to increase their strength, so the splines were not strong enough to handle the torque loads or quite a few of them got through quality control if they were even hardened.
Sprocket steel seemed to be a lot ''softer'' than the hardened trans. output shaft.
Possibly the new white one has a harder metal center section to better match up to the trans. shaft metal hardness.
That's my take on it.

The current white sprocket is not a “fix” for the issue, cravenfun. It was simply released to address the often reported whistling on the ‘20+ RT. The new sprocket to address the failing sprocket issue won’t be available until Aug/Sept.;)

Pete
 
I am told that the 2014 RT-S, with the 1330 motor is not subject to 'Red Dust' recall/problem? Sounds odd to me but I think I did read somewhere that the recall is 2015 and newer. I am interested in purchasing a Spider but I would rather not have to worry about inspections and future warrantee work. If the 2014 does not have sprocket concerns that would be a big plus for me. Can any one confirm or debunk? Thanks.
 
I am told that the 2014 RT-S, with the 1330 motor is not subject to 'Red Dust' recall/problem? Sounds odd to me but I think I did read somewhere that the recall is 2015 and newer. I am interested in purchasing a Spider but I would rather not have to worry about inspections and future warrantee work. If the 2014 does not have sprocket concerns that would be a big plus for me. Can any one confirm or debunk? Thanks.

Historically speaking the " sprocket " wear issue didn't occur in numbers until the 15 F-3's were built ..... There have only been a very few 2014 ( late production date ) RT that have been reported here ..... My 14 has over 67,000 mi. and I check for Red Dust every week or so ( just put a small hand mirror and use a flashlight to look at it from underneath ) ...... I'm not going to cahnge what -to me - isn't broken ..... yet :gaah:.....Mike :thumbup:
 
I have a 2014 RTL and I have had the red dust. I have replaced the sprocket with the new white one at 44k. Didn't notice any difference in the fitment compared to the old one. Applied moly paste when installed, I have already pulled it once and cleaned then reapplied paste at 49k. I feel that this is going to be a maintenance item. I'll be very interested to see what the fix is going to be. I'm currently at 53k.

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I have a 2014 RTL and I have had the red dust. I have replaced the sprocket with the new white one at 44k. Didn't notice any difference in the fitment compared to the old one. Applied moly paste when installed, I have already pulled it once and cleaned then reapplied paste at 49k. I feel that this is going to be a maintenance item. I'll be very interested to see what the fix is going to be. I'm currently at 53k.

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Interesting ...... When was your 14 ...manufactured ..????? ..... this is important info ..... Mike :thumbup:
 
2014 RT-S sprockets

Interesting ...... When was your 14 ...manufactured ..????? ..... this is important info ..... Mike :thumbup:

I do not own this Spyder, yet... I am looking at several. One is a 2014 with 40K-Km on it. The other is a 2015 with about the same. The 2014 owner tells me his dealer tells him his machine is not on the recall list. The 2015 owner tells me pretty much what is stated on this site. I dont have a dealer near by so inspections and future warrantee work would be difficult. It would certainly be a benefit if I didnt have to worry about passing inspections, warrantee Q and part availability. Thanks for your reply..
 
I do not own this Spyder, yet... I am looking at several. One is a 2014 with 40K-Km on it. The other is a 2015 with about the same. The 2014 owner tells me his dealer tells him his machine is not on the recall list. The 2015 owner tells me pretty much what is stated on this site. I dont have a dealer near by so inspections and future warrantee work would be difficult. It would certainly be a benefit if I didnt have to worry about passing inspections, warrantee Q and part availability. Thanks for your reply..

I would get the vin# and verify this info for myself on anything. It's very easy to do.
 
I would get the vin# and verify this info for myself on anything. It's very easy to do.
I also went to my dealer with the build date (Dec. ‘13) and the dealer immediately said that I’m not part of the recall, but he did one extra step....stuck in my V.I.N. Number and once again informed me that I am not part of the recall. Very easy check for the dealer to do. I agree with Mike...if the dealer balks at the request, thank him for his service and say GOODBYE!
 
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I was notified this morning at midnight by email. I assume I will receive the actual mailed version but I received the same message as above. I just Called dealer. There is “NO” remedy or solution yet established but the dealers received the notice also. It is only a notification until the exact procedure is sent to the dealers. Ironically, I just posted this same question on another thread that my dealer wanted to remove my front pulley and grease for prevented maintenance at 28000 miles and this comes out now. This includes RT’s also.

Heard the same according to the dealer Can Am doesn't have a definitive fix yet. They are scheduling for September for the temp fix of which he says they have not been told what the fix is ????????????????
 
Red dust again

Just wanted to put this out there.

1. Just because you have red dust doesn't mean your sprocket is bad.
2. Just because you don't have red dust doesn't mean your sprocket is good.

My sprocket looked like new. No red dust but it failed inspection. I only have 9700 miles on my F3. A new sprocket was installed on it today. Now we are ready for our trip to Sturgis.
 
Just wanted to put this out there.

1. Just because you have red dust doesn't mean your sprocket is bad.
2. Just because you don't have red dust doesn't mean your sprocket is good.

My sprocket looked like new. No red dust but it failed inspection. I only have 9700 miles on my F3. A new sprocket was installed on it today. Now we are ready for our trip to Sturgis.

Unfortunately, you have not defined your interpretation of bad. Any indication of red dust is an indication of wear. Granted the interim inspection criteria does not mandate inspecting for wear on cleaned splines, which would indicate an accurate wear dimension. Residual fretted particles are allowed in the spline joint, possibly altering the true wear dimension.

More correctly, some owners having the interim inspection accomplished have had red dust and the tech determined the amount of wear was acceptable at this time, no further action was taken except to reinstall the bolt. Other owners having the interim inspection accomplished also noted red dust, and the tech found the wear beyond limits.

The interim inspection is just that, the pulley is still deemed bad, to use your word, as it will be dealt with again in a short interval (hopefully). Passing the interim inspection does not mean the pulley is good, simply it passed a wear check at this time.

Red dust is an indicator of fretting, fretting is wear, without corrective actions, fretting will continue until complete failure occurs. Fretting, like other corrosion does not self heal.

The interim inspection may prove to be a false sense of security, interpreted as the pulley is good, and the owner fails to return for the true method of correction to the issue.

Sadly, having a pulley pass the interim inspection is worse than having it fail. When failed, the pulley is removed, the hard oxide particles from fretting that abrade the components are cleaned away. A new replacement pulley is installed, hopefully lubricated (at a minimum with the Kluber Paste that is expensive, on backorder, and has no longevity) on reinstallation.

The hard oxide particles produced from the fretting corrosion is the ultimate enemy. Oxides are what grinding discs and sandpaper use for grit. The interim inspection does not remove this. Replacing the pulley does.

Simply sharing. And yes, with a decade of teaching corrosion control on aircraft plus years of experience repairing all forms of corrosion on aircraft, I may not have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I do have a solid background on the corrosion topic and decades of experience working with spline drives, including visual inspections, wear inspections, and clean / relube checks. All the best to anyone having a pulley inspection accomplished at the dealer. If capable, I endorse at a minimum, remove the pulley, clean and inspect the splines on the gearbox shaft and pulley bore for wear. Visually, the pulleys outboard end will have virgin splines. This can serve as a visual wear indicator. There has been much discussion regarding which lubricant is best. In 2017 I inspected and reassembled our 2014 using a Bel Ray moly paste.

Again, all the best, however you proceed.
 
I have a 2014 RTL and I have had the red dust. I have replaced the sprocket with the new white one at 44k. Didn't notice any difference in the fitment compared to the old one. Applied moly paste when installed, I have already pulled it once and cleaned then reapplied paste at 49k. I feel that this is going to be a maintenance item. I'll be very interested to see what the fix is going to be. I'm currently at 53k.

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If you plan to discard that pulley, I would like to obtain it from you if possible. Thanks.
 
Front Sprocket Recall

I brought my 2015 RT, 14,700 miles, to the dealer yesterday (7/21/22) for the sprocket recall. The explanation that I got that they use to diagnose the severity of the ID gear wear on the sprocket is: After removing the drive belt, the sprocket/pulley is marked for position and rotated. They use an indicator to see how much play is between the sprocket ID and the engine power shaft. Mine fell right at the boarder of excessive wear so they replaced it with a new pulley that is the same as the pulley that was removed because BRP hasn't issued replacements yet. They have a limited number of the old sprockets in stock. The shop that I went to has not heard anything about specific time frames to start receiving new replacement pulley's. They said that I will be getting another letter mailed to me with instructions, possibly in late August. My sprocket didn't have any red dust on it. I asked about using anything like Moly grease that I have seen posted on this forum if a replacement pulley isn't available and they weren't instructed to do that. I also asked them what happens to cause the propulsion loss. The gear teeth on the pulley shear off. That's what I expected to hear. The service took about 2 hours including a state inspection.
 
It is not my interpretation, it is BRP's based on their testing procedure.

As I followed your adventures of getting your original pulley inspected, then found to be worn beyond limits by the dealer, but showed no fretting residue, then if I understand correctly, you obtained and installed a replacement pulley.

Red dust indicates a worn pulley, no red dust indicates no wear. A pulley that failed the dimensional inspection without fretting residue brings forward a curious question. Were the gearbox shafts machined correctly, or is there variances in different batches of pulleys spline dimensions.

Seems that if a pulley is replaced, the dimensional inspection should be complied with on the new pulley before returning the vehicle to the customer. Was your new pulley install inspected for compliance to be within the dimensional check?
 
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