Recall done. Not sure they put the right sprocket on.

[EdMat]

And when you have done all you can do maybe tweak the engine alignment just a bit.

 

[Isopedella]

And when you have done all you can do maybe tweak the engine alignment just a bit.

I am soo tempted but know nothing about it.
Do you have any links or info on how to to share?

 

[EdMat]

I am soo tempted but know nothing about it.
Do you have any links or info on how to to share?

As typical with BRP when i go to the manual to look it up "Engine Alignment" it says to adjust the front link rod as illustrated then mentions tightening the bolts in the correct sequence, which it gives and that's all it says. Since the front link rod is mounted to the left front of the engine it would shift the engine slightly in its rubber mounts if it was shortened or lengthened.

What made me think of it was a discussion with a tech one time and he mentioned getting the link length wrong would make the belt ride the pulleys wrong.

 

[Isopedella]

Found this

The front link rod/connecting rod part #707001918 in the service manual shows the link should be set at 4.733 inches/120.1 mm in a diagram front center of both bolt holes, but when you jack up the Spyder and crawl under and do the measurement, the center of the link rod/solid body is 4.733 inches. Not what it shows in the service manual. I find it to be another error in the service manual along with the errors that come along with your new manual which includes a diagram showing that the belt should be riding in the middle of the front pulley.

Post #14
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...gnment-as-it-pertains-to-drive-belt-alignment.

Can you put up the illustration and stuff you have?

I have some photos of it , I think. Have to pull some panels to get to it I guess. Down from the top?

 

[Isopedella]

Think I may have found it.
Removing and Installing Engine Section 2 page 21 +22 in my folder.

Pre-adjust rod to 120.1mm...

 

[Snoking1127]

I agree that if your belt is rubbing the front flange with any force at all, it needs to be corrected. You are wise to pursue a fix. The fact that your belt can't come off is comforting, short term. But not a good idea for any length of time.

Shimming is a solution. But I have a feeling that something is amiss with the install or they used the wrong spacer. Your micrometer shows 4mm width when I believe it should read 5mm. I would have to check that to be sure.

Your belt is running too far left on your rear pulley. It should be no more than 1mm~2mm from the inside flange. Basically, as close as you can get it without rubbing. I'm not saying that will resolve your front pulley issue. But it would be a step in the right direction.

The picture below is about as far out as you want your belt to be. A bit closer, in your case, would be a good idea.

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I agree that the belt is riding way to far to the outside of the rear sprocket. I should be running very close the the inside flange on the rear sprocket. Align the rear correctly and see where the front is rumning.

 

[Peter Aawen]

Hey everyone, just for clarity's sake, the first pic in the quote below is Isopedella's AFTER pic of his REAR sprocket, showing what happens AFTER he's set his rear belt alignment correctly and then ridden the Spyder for a bit; while the last two pics show his FRONT sprocket AT THE SAME TIME as the previous pic, ie. after he's correctly aligned the belt on the rear sprocket and then ridden for a bit, and as a result of that riding, now the belt is pressed hard up against the Left/outside flange of the FRONT sprocket so hard that it's too hot to touch & smelling like burning rubber:

Well it stinks of rubber...... The belt is really hot when I put my hand on it. How do I know, why I can see it.

View attachment 205989 View attachment 205990 View attachment 205991

HOWZATT!

And the following quote is BajaRon's pic of the REAR sprocket showing everyone the MAXIMUM distance off the inside flange you ever want to see your belt before re-adjusting it to run closer to the inside/tire side flange:

I agree that if your belt is rubbing the front flange with any force at all, it needs to be corrected. You are wise to pursue a fix. The fact that your belt can't come off is comforting, short term. But not a good idea for any length of time.

.....

The picture below is about as far out as you want your belt to be. A bit closer, in your case, would be a good idea.

View attachment 205996

I hope all this helps make it clear... :

In summary, Iso HAS adjusted the belt on his REAR sprocket correctly more than once since the recall sprocket was installed by the dealer; BUT THEN, when he rides his Spyder with what WAS a 'correctly aligned on the rear sprocket' belt, the belt moves OUT on the rear sprocket as the same time as it also moves OUT on the FRONT sprocket; only up on that FRONT sprocket, it moves OUT to the extent that the belt gets very hot and he's concerned about the front socket damaging the belt, even if the outer flange should stop it coming off the sprocket... :gaah:

And THAT's ultimately what he wants to fix and is asking about - how to stop the FRONT sprocket walking out and rubbing so hard on the outer flange that the belt becomes too hot to touch; and by the by, it'd be nice if he could also stop the belt walking out on the rear sprocket when he rides after aligning it correctly too! :lecturef_smilie:

Just Sayin'

:thumbup:

 

[Isopedella]

Reminds me of a Beatles track. #9 ... #9 .... :clap:

So learning heaps here. Talk about brainstorming... Good info popping up. Great. Keep em coming.

Guess I loosen off all mounts if I have to adjust that bar to either 120.1 mm center of both bolt holes or the center of the link rod/solid body.
Which ever matches closest. :roflblack:

 

[PMK]

Reminds me of a Beatles track. #9 ... #9 .... :clap:

So learning heaps here. Talk about brainstorming... Good info popping up. Great. Keep em coming.

Guess I loosen off all mounts if I have to adjust that bar to either 120.1 mm center of both bolt holes or the center of the link rod/solid body.
Which ever matches closest. :roflblack:

Simply, Isopedella, did you fully resolve your belt tension and tracking?
Were you able to make needed adjustments and get the belt correct, or did you need to add spacers behind the front pulley?
You posted about even realigning the gearbox. Was realigning the gearbox how you resolved the issues?

 

[Isopedella]

Been busy with other stuff and its sitting in the shed with its ass in the air.
Patiently waiting for some more TLC to come its way.
Time out for me I guess as well. The GRRRRrrrr / Whisky Tango Foxtrot was beginning to bite.
I did get my packing washers back the next day trimmed out 1/2 a mil and they fit nice.
Haven't yet had a measure to check it the mounting is correct.

I will update when I get back to it, probably when im all out of GRRRrrr's I guess.

 

[SkipH]

After reading all this, I can't help but believe that the front sprocket is on backwards.
If I remember right, the part number should be facing out.....

Damn, Late to the party again.

 

[Cobwebs]

After reading all this, I can't help but believe that the front sprocket is on backwards.
If I remember right, the part number should be facing out.....

Damn, Late to the party again.

Newsflash!!! Angry man spotted heading to dealership with rough end of pineapple.

 

[Isopedella]

Hopefully I can get back out to the F3 tomorrow.
Its been a busy time with other stuff.

Cheers for the tips.

 

[jbim]

This could be a silly question but is this the second recall on the sprocket. Presumably mine was done last year but I received a recall notice from BRP just recently. I can't remember whether I had mine done before I received a first letter but now I have this first or second letter. The dealer who did it didn't give me any invoice or asked me to sign anything. So I am wondering whether BRP's system was not updated by the dealer or, worse, if the dealer did any work at all. Obviously I should contact BRP with my VIN and I will.

Any comments?

Thanks

J

 

[Peter Aawen]

This could be a silly question but is this the second recall on the sprocket. Presumably mine was done last year but I received a recall notice from BRP just recently. I can't remember whether I had mine done before I received a first letter but now I have this first or second letter. The dealer who did it didn't give me any invoice or asked me to sign anything. So I am wondering whether BRP's system was not updated by the dealer or, worse, if the dealer did any work at all. Obviously I should contact BRP with my VIN and I will.

Any comments?

Thanks

J

I'm pretty sure there was only ONE actual 'Recall' but there were a few things going on around the same time that from what you tell us above, might mean you haven't yet had the Recall fully completed. :shocked:

Shortly before the Recall, there was also a 'Sprocket Fix' (AFAIK, NOT a 'Recall' :lecturef_smilie: ) that was made available by BRP, basically, intended only for those owners who complained (altho some dealers took it upon themselves (or misunderstood... ) to offer/do it to other Spyders/for other owners) that was originally intended to fix the 'whistling/wind noise' that some owners experienced/complained of - this 'Fix' involved replacing the original Black Sprocket with a White Ceramic Coated sprocket that supposedly reduced the whistling/wind noise, altho some (quite a few, in fact!) of those complaining of the noise felt that at best, the White Sprocket only (slightly??) reduced the noise! :banghead: Regardless, if your Spyder has a front Sprocket that is White and your Spyder is one of those identified as being part of the real 'Sprocket Recall', then your Spyder HAS NOT had the real Recall done - at least, not fully... so read on!


Then there's the 'Real Recall', the 'Loose sprocket on Output Shaft' Recall that involved a Two Stage process to ensure that all those Spyders identified by BRP as having Sprockets that could potentially fail/wear their splines and so lose their grip on the transmission output shaft & eventually lose all drive - only due to supply issues and the direction to get something done regardless, resulted in BRP issuing a Two Stage process to properly resolve the issue!

The First Stage of this 'Real Recall' was to check/inspect your OEM sprocket and fit an 'Interim Fix' sprocket if necessary & a sprocket was available - effectively just replacing your 'already potentially failing' sprocket with another sprocket with the same potential for failure, but it bought BRP more time to get stocks of the Final Fix sprockets... The Interim Fix Sprockets could be either the original Black Sprocket, or, due to the previously mentioned supply issues, could involve fitting the White Sprocket intended for the whistling/wind noise fix if it was the only one available at the time! However, regardless of which colour sprocket your Spyder got or what the owner/dealer thought, that 'Interim Check & Replace if Necessary' Step WAS NOT THE END OF THE RECALL FIX!

The Final Fix or Stage Two of the Recall was to replace your original sprocket OR the sprocket fitted during the Interim Fix with a Silver Sprocket and Washer Kit and to Locktite the sprocket onto the shaft. Quite a few people who THOUGHT that since they'd taken their Spyders in to a dealer who checked their sprocket & said 'You're good to go', then they were fine & the Recall was done/complete were instead either mislead or confused (or both!) - even some who had an Interim Fix replacement Sprocket fitted (certainly if that sprocket was Black or White) were also either misled or confused! But the nitty gritty of it all is that if your Spyder does not have that SILVER Recall Sprocket & Washer Kit fitted and your Spyder is one of those identified as being part of the Recall, THEN YOU NEED TO GET THE SILVER SPROCKET RECALL KIT FITTED! Preferably before the Recall is closed. :thumbup:

All Clear now?! :dontknow: Is your Spyder one of the Spyders identified in the Recall and if so, does it have a Silver Sprocket & Washer fitted?? :dontknow:

Over to you! :cheers:

 

[jbim]

I'm pretty sure there was only ONE actual 'Recall' but there were a few things going on around the same time that from what you tell us above, might mean you haven't yet had the Recall fully completed. :shocked:

Shortly before the Recall, there was also a 'Sprocket Fix' (AFAIK, NOT a 'Recall' :lecturef_smilie: ) that was made available by BRP, basically, intended only for those owners who complained (altho some dealers took it upon themselves (or misunderstood... ) to offer/do it to other Spyders/for other owners) that was originally intended to fix the 'whistling/wind noise' that some owners experienced/complained of - this 'Fix' involved replacing the original Black Sprocket with a White Ceramic Coated sprocket that supposedly reduced the whistling/wind noise, altho some (quite a few, in fact!) of those complaining of the noise felt that at best, the White Sprocket only (slightly??) reduced the noise! :banghead: Regardless, if your Spyder has a front Sprocket that is White and your Spyder is one of those identified as being part of the real 'Sprocket Recall', then your Spyder HAS NOT had the real Recall done - at least, not fully... so read on!


Then there's the 'Real Recall', the 'Loose sprocket on Output Shaft' Recall that involved a Two Stage process to ensure that all those Spyders identified by BRP as having Sprockets that could potentially fail/wear their splines and so lose their grip on the transmission output shaft & eventually lose all drive - only due to supply issues and the direction to get something done regardless, resulted in BRP issuing a Two Stage process to properly resolve the issue!

The First Stage of this 'Real Recall' was to check/inspect your OEM sprocket and fit an 'Interim Fix' sprocket if necessary & a sprocket was available - effectively just replacing your 'already potentially failing' sprocket with another sprocket with the same potential for failure, but it bought BRP more time to get stocks of the Final Fix sprockets... The Interim Fix Sprockets could be either the original Black Sprocket, or, due to the previously mentioned supply issues, could involve fitting the White Sprocket intended for the whistling/wind noise fix if it was the only one available at the time! However, regardless of which colour sprocket your Spyder got or what the owner/dealer thought, that 'Interim Check & Replace if Necessary' Step WAS NOT THE END OF THE RECALL FIX!

The Final Fix or Stage Two of the Recall was to replace your original sprocket OR the sprocket fitted during the Interim Fix with a Silver Sprocket and Washer Kit and to Locktite the sprocket onto the shaft. Quite a few people who THOUGHT that since they'd taken their Spyders in to a dealer who checked their sprocket & said 'You're good to go', then they were fine & the Recall was done/complete were instead either mislead or confused (or both!) - even some who had an Interim Fix replacement Sprocket fitted (certainly if that sprocket was Black or White) were also either misled or confused! But the nitty gritty of it all is that if your Spyder does not have that SILVER Recall Sprocket & Washer Kit fitted and your Spyder is one of those identified as being part of the Recall, THEN YOU NEED TO GET THE SILVER SPROCKET RECALL KIT FITTED! Preferably before the Recall is closed. :thumbup:

All Clear now?! :dontknow: Is your Spyder one of the Spyders identified in the Recall and if so, does it have a Silver Sprocket & Washer fitted?? :dontknow:

Over to you! :cheers:

Wow. What a detailed response. Thank you so much. It does sound exactly like this is what happened. I will check all that. Unfortunately, my Spyder is stored for winter so that will be a task for Spring, probably April or May. Cheers mate!

 

[Peteoz]

Wow. What a detailed response. Thank you so much. It does sound exactly like this is what happened. I will check all that. Unfortunately, my Spyder is stored for winter so that will be a task for Spring, probably April or May. Cheers mate!

DETAILED ??? Pfffffft, jbim. That is of one of Peter’s briefest ever replies :roflblack:

Pete