People sure are dumb.

[Gwolf]

Mining, trucking, heavy equipment operation, is not antiquated technologies. It is same technologies that have been used for decades and continue to be used, to make the fertilize products which grow the food people eat, and the minor chemical additives that go into making animal feeds, and even products for human consumption.

When eating becomes antiquated, then mining phosphate might become antiquated, but not before. Getting to work on time, and being at work when scheduled, unless there is an emergency, is not an antiquated concept, but does not seem to be important to people who apply for the high paying jobs, but don't know how, or don't want to do the work.

 

[JDTOLLAND]

Gave up lifting weights years ago ,they where to heavy.

Thanks for spotting for the Einstein .

 

[UtahPete]

Mining, trucking, heavy equipment operation, is not antiquated technologies. It is same technologies that have been used for decades and continue to be used, to make the fertilize products which grow the food people eat, and the minor chemical additives that go into making animal feeds, and even products for human consumption.

I never meant to imply that industrial heavy equipment is antiquated, but rather that they involve controls, which have evolved enormously over the past 40 years. Some of those legacy machines, still in operation mind you, have older control systems, which to the younger generation would seem antiquated and certainly not part of their recent training. Just because they don't know anything about older technologies doesn't mean they are stupid or useless.

 

[SLICE]

Gave up lifting weights years ago ,they where to heavy.

Thanks for spotting for the Einstein .

It was more of a rescue than a spot.

Now I'm off to the gym.

 

[Gwolf]

I never meant to imply that industrial heavy equipment is antiquated, but rather that they involve controls, which have evolved enormously over the past 40 years. Some of those legacy machines, still in operation mind you, have older control systems, which to the younger generation would seem antiquated and certainly not part of their recent training. Just because they don't know anything about older technologies doesn't mean they are stupid or useless.

If playing video games could train you to work heavy industry most any high school graduate could start out at top pay. Unfortunately, it takes a good basic education and experience. I did not say the people graduating were stupid or useless, but they don't have the training or the experience, and many don't have the will to start at the bottom, get to work on time, and learn the skills required to get the higher paying jobs. They want to start out wheeling a $500,000 piece of equipment and getting the big bucks.

 

[UtahPete]

If playing video games could train you to work heavy industry most any high school graduate could start out at top pay. Unfortunately, it takes a good basic education and experience. I did not say the people graduating were stupid or useless, but they don't have the training or the experience, and many don't have the will to start at the bottom, get to work on time, and learn the skills required to get the higher paying jobs. They want to start out wheeling a $500,000 piece of equipment and getting the big bucks.

If so, then the need for hard-working immigrants is greater than I thought. But, I am not seeing this deterioration of work ethic in the younger generation that you do.

Whose children are these unmotivated, unambitious, lazy, entitled young people, anyway? Someone else's, I guess.

 

[wyliec]

If so, then the need for hard-working immigrants is greater than I thought. But, I am not seeing this deterioration of work ethic in the younger generation that you do.

Whose children are these unmotivated, unambitious, lazy, entitled young people, anyway? Someone else's, I guess.

I really don't see the difference in the 'young people' now versus when I was in high school, regarding ability to learn or work ethic. In my last and final career I worked in a few hospitals and worked alongside those in their early 20's to those ready for retirement. No age group stuck out more than another regarding laziness or go getters or those that I wondered how they found their way to work each day.

Oh, by the way, if you use a 'true' squat bar it weighs 55#, unlike the regular barbell bars.:doorag:

 

[UtahPete]

I really don't see the difference in the 'young people' now versus when I was in high school, regarding ability to learn or work ethic. In my last and final career I worked in a few hospitals and worked alongside those in their early 20's to those ready for retirement. No age group stuck out more than another regarding laziness or go getters or those that I wondered how they found their way to work each day.

Oh, by the way, if you use a 'true' squat bar it weighs 55#, unlike the regular barbell bars.:doorag:

I've always considered it the duty and privilege of 'seniors' to train their replacements, particularly in the skilled trades.

 

[Gwolf]

If so, then the need for hard-working immigrants is greater than I thought. But, I am not seeing this deterioration of work ethic in the younger generation that you do.

Whose children are these unmotivated, unambitious, lazy, entitled young people, anyway? Someone else's, I guess.

No, not all of them are someone else's. I have 2 grandsons that don't even have a driver's license. They don't want to learn to drive. One of them is over 20 years old, the other one graduates from high school this year. When I was the same age as the older one, I was aircrew on C-130 aircraft in Vietnam and had a 3 page long military license with a long list of equipment and vehicles I was license to operate. I was airdrop qualified and qualified to haul Class A explosives on down.

My son was driving when he was 14 years old, had his regular operators license and was working part time from the time he was 16 years old. I have no clue what happened to the grandkids. They did get caught up in the stupid covid shut downs and the schools in their state were locked down for a long time. Other than that, they just don't seem real motivated.

 

[carbonation]

One of my test questions was can you explain the difference between electrical timing and mechanical timing.

Good question.
I'd think a sec, and then probably say.
350 small block Chevy camshaft vs. EVC system, ie camless, using solenoids and either firmware or software programming.

If you can find a guy that can repair a lawnmower or tractor, and watches inappropriate websites, dealing with viruses, high jacks,and browser histories... you have a chance at a decent tech.

 

[UtahPete]

No, not all of them are someone else's. I have 2 grandsons that don't even have a driver's license. They don't want to learn to drive. One of them is over 20 years old, the other one graduates from high school this year. When I was the same age as the older one, I was aircrew on C-130 aircraft in Vietnam and had a 3 page long military license with a long list of equipment and vehicles I was license to operate. I was airdrop qualified and qualified to haul Class A explosives on down.

My son was driving when he was 14 years old, had his regular operators license and was working part time from the time he was 16 years old. I have no clue what happened to the grandkids. They did get caught up in the stupid covid shut downs and the schools in their state were locked down for a long time. Other than that, they just don't seem real motivated.

Thank you for your service. I might have caught a ride or two on your C-130.

The world certainly has changed a great deal in 50+ years, even the last 20. There are tools, toys and career opportunities available today that weren't even imagined back then. Every generation worries about the younger one, and then breathes a sigh of relief as our seemingly aimless progeny finds its footing in THEIR world, rather than ours.

 

[Isopedella]

C-130's. Good bit of kit but I always wondered how they managed to get almost of all the noise inside the aircraft.

 

[Gwolf]

Every generation worries about the younger one, and then breathes a sigh of relief as our seemingly aimless progeny finds its footing in THEIR world, rather than ours.

I can only hope they do find what they want to work at. My son is planning to take early retirement and move back down here to the farm in a couple more years. He is bringing them all down here with him when he comes. Maybe they will find something to interest them once they get down here. I can guarantee they won't be sitting in the house playing on the computer all day while everybody else is outside working.

 

[Gwolf]

C-130's. Good bit of kit but I always wondered how they managed to get almost of all the noise inside the aircraft.

All of the noise is not inside, only about half of it. The noise is good. If the noise stops while you are flying along, it is time to grab a chute.

 

[Pirate]

Thank you for your service. I might have caught a ride or two on your C-130.

The world certainly has changed a great deal in 50+ years, even the last 20. There are tools, toys and career opportunities available today that weren't even imagined back then. Every generation worries about the younger one, and then breathes a sigh of relief as our seemingly aimless progeny finds its footing in THEIR world, rather than ours.

Until the internet goes down or the electricity goes out...

 

[UtahPete]

Until the internet goes down or the electricity goes out...

Harrumph!

 

[SLICE]

Good question.
I'd think a sec, and then probably say.
350 small block Chevy camshaft vs. EVC system, ie camless, using solenoids and either firmware or software programming.

If you can find a guy that can repair a lawnmower or tractor, and watches inappropriate websites, dealing with viruses, high jacks,and browser histories... you have a chance at a decent tech.

The one developed by Christian von Koenigsegg, pretty awesome stuff right there.