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Passing it on- Dynamic Power Steering (DPS) Update

:agree: Intermittent problems can drive a mechanic (oops, they call them technicians nowadays) nuts, as can those A-B-C tail-chasers. Throw in not just one, but several computer processors, a CANBus system for communications, numerous electrical connectors, varying weather and road conditions, multiple parts sources, and maybe a few mechanical ills, and it seems insurmountable. I don't wonder that BRP is saying they need more time. I am an optimist. I think they will find an answer...and hopefully share it with us, straight-forwardly and openly. They made one mistake jumping to conclusions with the recall programming update, that resolved some complaints, but exposed other problems or causes. It is sad, but understandable, that some can't wait for a final solution that is concrete. I am very sorry to see that happening. These things get more difficult on both ends as they continue.


This is a good explanation as to why the public doesn't need electronic nanos in the products that they purchase. Having problems now....just wait until all the robot vehicles start to age. This won't only be BRP's and Toyota's problems, it will affect every manufacturer.
 
Its actually great to see so many of us are passionate about our rydes. It has brought me many hours of enjoyment along with the frustration. I was very close to throwing in the towel on BRP products completely but opted to try one of the RTS models instead. That being said, I sold my 09 RS just after the latest repair and I am hoping that the new owner has many worry/trouble free miles ahead of him. Its the uncertainty of the fix that worries most of us that did have issues. I am happy for the many that have enjoyed the trouble-free miles that they have been fortunate enough to have, but do not discount those of us that have had problems. Mine did not surface till 2K miles and continued off and on till 4K. Once the problem happens, it will be in the back of your mind for a long time to come. When and if the final statement comes from BRP stating they have actually found the root cause and have eliminated it, we ALL can enjoy our rydes together. Ok, back to the garage for me......lots of cleaning to do
 
.....The thing that bothers me is they swapped out a part and it's been months for some of us who have had the new part. They haven't told us what went wrong w/ the old part, or even if the old part was bad and this is the fix. So since nobody told me it is totally fixed and this was the answer, I still don't trust it.

Even if BRP is working very hard to figure all this out (and I am sure they are - I believe them when they say that) I would like to hear, "We don't have a concrete answer yet", not "We threw a new part in there, not sure what happened, but you can ride it now". THAT is what bothers me.
This is a difficult situation. I certainly understand where you are coming from. There is comfort in knowing for certain...especially after multiple swaps of the same part. On the side of reality, I would be surprised if we ever know for certain, unless they discover a major defect and recall all the steering boxes made during a certain period.

I agree that the problem may be more rooted in communications problems, calibration issues, or incompatible versions of components and firmware. My guess is that these contributing issues were minor before, but after the steering recall, the revised programming made them larger factors...and there are a variety of them. Sort of like being more susceptible to a cold if you go outside without your scarf, but the results depend on the weather, how long you are outside, and what you ate for breakfast. If that is the case, we may never have a real firm answer. That will be sad! I think we have to prepare ourselves for that possibility, however. Even the most transparent corporation in the world can't tell us the cause if they do not know for certain.

This is a good explanation as to why the public doesn't need electronic nanos in the products that they purchase. Having problems now....just wait until all the robot vehicles start to age. This won't only be BRP's and Toyota's problems, it will affect every manufacturer.
There is a lot of truth in what you say, but remember that they said similar things at the advent of the internal combustion engine. Such things are generally inevitable, and we must adapt. A "Get a horse!" attitude makes the world stand still. We say we want technology, but only in limited amounts. That is not really practical. Either the world turns...or it stops altogether. We can lament it, or we can move on.
 
I have put a couple of thousand K on after my steering tried to head for the ditch. My dealer, which is 3 hrs away, IMMEDIATELY picked up my Spyder and within a couple of days the problem was diagnosed as a bad sensor. Part replaced and so far all is good. I did(do) still have a little heightened awareness now and I have to say the thought is sometimes in the back of my mind. For those that have had the problem and search for a definitive answer, I hope sometime we get it, but I do understand the issues that arise when trying to jump to conclusions. My dealer is also a friend and has no reason to BS me. When the issue was brought to the attention of the area rep he had honestly not heard of it before. I believe the numbers are statistically so small that finding definite correlations is very, very difficult. If all Spyders were failing the same way, because of the same part, then easy. That is not is what is happening. Each persons story, using their own accounts, is somewhat different. How do you answer a difficult question that is more of a riddle??

The Toyota issue adds a whole new component. The parts affected in some of the Toyota's are probably also in your Chev/Ford/Chrysler. The DPS is not a BRP part so while BRP may want the process sped up put yourself in the position of the DPS manufacturer. Unfortunately, big businesss and a rotten economy get in the way. Can the sub afford to fix ALL the DPS's if that is the actual flaw? I know, the obvious answer is, can they afford NOT to?? .

I agree that BRP was a little slow to react, but again, they are a corporation, with alot of things to consider before making any sort of drastic announcement. I know that is frustrating, but it is our reality. I doubt that yelling louder is going to help, it will only make them less likely to work with you. I have been in customer service for a long time and know that my results are always better talking than screaming. I have been impressed with my dealings so far and there is genuine concern there, not to protect a corporate ass, but because they don't want their customers hurt. They are also in a precarious situation should someone be killed so if you were BRP certainly it is in your best interest to determine the issue once and for all. BRP would not survive a faulty part causing death. I am sorry for those of you who are pissed at BRP for not finding the "fix" but the riddle will be solved, it will just need the right combination of clues. For those very vocal few who are at the end of their ropes the best thing you can do is sell your machine and move on. Yes, you will lose a little cash but isn't that worth the piece of mind??
 
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My DPS checked out fine but a "yaw" sensor was bad. I doubt that is what it is technically called but that is what my fading memory remembers
 
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This is a difficult situation. I certainly understand where you are coming from. There is comfort in knowing for certain...especially after multiple swaps of the same part. On the side of reality, I would be surprised if we ever know for certain, unless they discover a major defect and recall all the steering boxes made during a certain period.

I agree that the problem may be more rooted in communications problems, calibration issues, or incompatible versions of components and firmware. My guess is that these contributing issues were minor before, but after the steering recall, the revised programming made them larger factors...and there are a variety of them. Sort of like being more susceptible to a cold if you go outside without your scarf, but the results depend on the weather, how long you are outside, and what you ate for breakfast. If that is the case, we may never have a real firm answer. That will be sad! I think we have to prepare ourselves for that possibility, however. Even the most transparent corporation in the world can't tell us the cause if they do not know for certain.


There is a lot of truth in what you say, but remember that they said similar things at the advent of the internal combustion engine. Such things are generally inevitable, and we must adapt. A "Get a horse!" attitude makes the world stand still. We say we want technology, but only in limited amounts. That is not really practical. Either the world turns...or it stops altogether. We can lament it, or we can move on.


One thing that holds true for 99.9% of Scotty's posts.....he knows what he is talking about because much of what he says is backed by personal experiences. He is also level headed and seldom "goes off the wall". As one old man to another, I wish I were able to keep as open a mind as you do, Scotty. :2thumbs:
 
One thing that holds true for 99.9% of Scotty's posts.....he knows what he is talking about because much of what he says is backed by personal experiences. He is also level headed and seldom "goes off the wall". As one old man to another, I wish I were able to keep as open a mind as you do, Scotty. :2thumbs:

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I think the .1% comes from him channeling other posters like me. :opps:

Tom
 
I agree that the problem may be more rooted in communications problems, calibration issues, or incompatible versions of components and firmware. My guess is that these contributing issues were minor before, but after the steering recall, the revised programming made them larger factors...and there are a variety of them. Sort of like being more susceptible to a cold if you go outside without your scarf, but the results depend on the weather, how long you are outside, and what you ate for breakfast. If that is the case, we may never have a real firm answer. That will be sad! I think we have to prepare ourselves for that possibility, however. Even the most transparent corporation in the world can't tell us the cause if they do not know for certain.

There is a lot of truth in what you say, but remember that they said similar things at the advent of the internal combustion engine. Such things are generally inevitable, and we must adapt. A "Get a horse!" attitude makes the world stand still. We say we want technology, but only in limited amounts. That is not really practical. Either the world turns...or it stops altogether. We can lament it, or we can move on.

Scotty, you're retired, right? I think it would be great if you wanted to go back to work again and let BRP hire ya! You can be the gearhead guy in there. :thumbup:
 
Scotty, you're retired, right? I think it would be great if you wanted to go back to work again and let BRP hire ya! You can be the gearhead guy in there. :thumbup:
Not me!!! Been retired too long to work for a living again. Lots of other reasons for BRP to not hire me - I am still living in the past, I am too likely to speak my mind, I can't seem to stay off the forums, I don't speak French.....
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Awww come on! :2thumbs:
Not me!!! Been retired too long to work for a living again. Lots of other reasons for BRP to not hire me - I am still living in the past, I am too likely to speak my mind, I can't seem to stay off the forums, I don't speak French.....
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Any woman who was insulted like that would be letting the guy off easy with just a slap....she should aim a lot lower !!:yikes:
 
Not me!!! Been retired too long to work for a living again. Lots of other reasons for BRP to not hire me - I am still living in the past, I am too likely to speak my mind, I can't seem to stay off the forums, I don't speak French.....
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Scotty, who said this would take you out of retirement? You don't need to speak French and you certainly are not living in the past! As far as speaking out, that is what is needed. Experience and wisdom go a long way and many times they trump all the fancy equipment out there...maybe if we had a little less electronic input, we'd be doing better in regards to less problems.

I second the notion that BRP contact you and offer you a 'consulting' job to help with Spyder issues...it'd be good for all!
 
I love Toyota and I love my Lexus. Your points are 100% right on...every car manufacturer has had its problems. Toyota will take its lumps but it will recover. As far as buying American, my next car very much might be a Yukon or similar...I think American car quality is finally matching that of the Japanese and Germans...


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Seems people get off on bashing the Japanese auto makers - even though most of their cars sold here are actually made here. Can't say that about our Spyders------;)

For what it's worth--- every single new car I've ever owned had recalls - and the last 4 cars I've owned were 'American' .

Just shows any company can have production and quality issues.
 
Scotty, who said this would take you out of retirement? You don't need to speak French and you certainly are not living in the past! As far as speaking out, that is what is needed. Experience and wisdom go a long way and many times they trump all the fancy equipment out there...maybe if we had a little less electronic input, we'd be doing better in regards to less problems.

I second the notion that BRP contact you and offer you a 'consulting' job to help with Spyder issues...it'd be good for all!

I agree; but, I have to add- Scotty & Lamonster or Lamonster & Scotty- you two are the best of the best.
 
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