Oil changing question

[mrfats]

I have a 2011 RTS SE5...how many miles between oil changes with the new filter?

Thank you for your time, John

 

[SpyRyd]

Roger:agree:

I use AMSOIL and do extend mine with now problems.

I usually round up to 5,000 although I did my last oil change at 9,900 vs. 10,000. Doc, how far do you extend your changes?

 

[2 Cruysyn]

If you use Amsoil, they claim (I dunno) you can increase that interval.

Might I suggest if you're going to extend the change interval that you have a sample analyzed so you know, beyond a doubt, how the oil is. More to the point is what's going on, or not, inside your engine.

It's been suggested here and elsewhere that the "nature of the beast" is such that there may very well be some fuel dilution. I've heard 1% and 2%. I sampled mine (Amsoil) at a couple hundred under 5k. It came back with a fuel dilution of 6.3%. The consensus is that's a bit much. Other wise, except for the slight viscosity change due to the dilution, there was nothing wrong with the oil.

I've asked BRP what their expectation is at the recommended oil change interval so far as fuel dilution goes. I'm told they have no expectation. Having exceeded 4600 miles perhaps their position is the oil should have been changed already. They did suggest we look at the RPM Profile to see where I'm running the Rotax. That's for another thread.

 

[Woody]

Where does one go to get an oil analysis performed?

Thanks in Advance
:dontknow:

 

[Chupaca]

When..??

These are great points and as time passes we will find out more. I don't go wild extending time changes because of the varying factors affecting the oil. Change in ryding habits, temperatures, areas etc. If using a good oil between 3000 and 5000 depending on the ryding at the time. Oil is cheap considering the repair cost and life of the parts it is protecting. Imho... hyea:

 

[Jeriatric]

Might I suggest if you're going to extend the change interval that you have a sample analyzed so you know, beyond a doubt, how the oil is. More to the point is what's going on, or not, inside your engine.

It's been suggested here and elsewhere that the "nature of the beast" is such that there may very well be some fuel dilution. I've heard 1% and 2%. I sampled mine (Amsoil) at a couple hundred under 5k. It came back with a fuel dilution of 6.3%. The consensus is that's a bit much. Other wise, except for the slight viscosity change due to the dilution, there was nothing wrong with the oil.

I've asked BRP what their expectation is at the recommended oil change interval so far as fuel dilution goes. I'm told they have no expectation. Having exceeded 4600 miles perhaps their position is the oil should have been changed already.

*** They did suggest we look at the RPM Profile to see where I'm running the Rotax. That's for another thread. ***

Looking forward to that "other post" and the conversation it should invoke.

 

[Sarge707]

I changed the New RT at 1,000 Miles and at 3,500 will extract 2 quarts (Moeller Extractor) and add 2 Fresh quarts (Castrol RS 4T) and then change at 6,000- So I go 5,000 BUT Freshen the Mixture Half way through! Since I changed Thanksgiving and put 2,500 miles on over the winter its time to freshen it up. :yikes:

 

[NancysToy]

BRP's recommendation with the new filter is 4600 miles.

 

[2 Cruysyn]

Where does one go to get an oil analysis performed? :dontknow:

I use Oil Analyzers, Inc. to perform the analysis for me. Their reports use a color coding system to bring your attention to any issues that may be present. The "Users Guide to Oil Analysis Services" which you can download or view from any of their web pages is a good source of information. Page 9 of the guide contains an example of what the report generally looks like. There are other labs around I'm sure I just don't know who or where they may be.

Test kits for sending a sample to Oil Analyzers are available from most any Amsoil dealer such as this Spyderlovers sponsor or by calling the number at the top of the Oil Analyzers web page.

 

[ulflyer]

I use ALS Tribology (or something like that) where you send the WIX kit that You find online, sometimes really cheap. They will tell you if there are any anomalies, for ex, if viscosity is too low or nearing time for change. I find that 5000mi with Amsoil 10W-40, which is what i've used most, is maxing it out. I try to do it at 4500. The only way you'll know what your machine is doing is have a test done. I do mine mainly because I do all the oil changes myself and if I ever have any issues I don't want BRP claiming the oil hasn't been done right. Also, I just like to know how the engine is faring.

Sarge707 above has posted an interesting idea, that of replenishing part of the oil in order to extend. I know some DIY'ers on auto forums do this and tests of oil in a car thats using oil where even a quart was added showed the vicosity holding up very well. This could be useful when one is on a long trip and didn't want to go thru a complete change. I know BRP calls for filter changes each time, but many auto's have extended the filters to every other change. BRP is very conservative and personally, I wouldn't hesitate to run the filters longer if I were on a trip and wanted to just add some oil to refresh it.

 

[bullant12]

I am no engine expert of any kind here, but wasn't the reason behind BRP's change of oil filters last year was to extend the oil change mile range from 3000 to 4600 miles?:dontknow:

 

[2 Cruysyn]

I am no engine expert of any kind here, but wasn't the reason behind BRP's change of oil filters last year was to extend the oil change mile range from 3000 to 4600 miles?:dontknow:

From BRP:

Those improved filters have been developed to:
– Improve oil filtration
– Improve SE5 shifting performance
– Allow to use the new extended maintenance schedule (Except for units registered in California).
BOTH the new filters must be installed BEFORE using the new extended maintenance schedule. See
service bulletin 2012-12 for details.

I don't see any mention of correcting the problem with those filters that were found to be collapsed in use. Maybe that's what the wire mesh on the new filter is supposed to prevent.

 

[jerpinoy]

BRP maintenance recommendations are standard and if any anybody differed then your on your own. Few years back, Popular mechanic magazine featured a oil test survey taken on New York 3 taxis. One taxi with

3k mikes, second taxi with 6k miles, third taxi with 9k miles driven . They removed and opened up the engines and

found no different and significant wear and tear on 3 engines.

This is how this wealthy people (oil corp.) made and still making their millions when they scared people. I

was one who got scared and change my oil on my car every 3k miles then but not any more. I just follows

what is listed on my vehicle owners manual. Have a nice day to all, It's been sunny for a couple days here in

the NORTHWEST.

 

[ARtraveler]

I am in the 4000 to 5000 range and sometimes a little longer depending on my riding schedule.

 

[bmwlarry]

I am changing mine for the Spyderfest ride. I figure I will be putting about 6500 miles on the filters and oil. I will be using full SYN Amsoil and the local Spyder Dealer tech has assured me that I will be fine without a change for the entire trip. Just watch the levels!

 

[2 Cruysyn]

I am changing mine for the Spyderfest ride. I figure I will be putting about 6500 miles on the filters and oil. I will be using full SYN Amsoil and the local Spyder Dealer tech has assured me that I will be fine without a change for the entire trip. Just watch the levels!

My intention was to continue with the oil I had which is why I sampled it when I did. Actually it was a bit longer than I intended but things happen, such as your pending trip to MO and back, that can result in crossing the (BRP) line. But, given the dilution that didn't happen. Had it not been diluted the oil would still be in there, with a new filter, since otherwise there was nothing wrong with it.

I do not intend to cast any doubt on what you plan to do but it wouldn't hurt to have the oil your running now analyzed sometime between now and when you change it for your trip to Spyderfest just to know what's going on, or not, inside the engine. IMHO

 

[BajaRon]

I'm running 5k~6k+ between changes. I wouldn't recommend doing this with BRP's dyno/altered oil but with Amsoil, it tests out just fine at these intervals. Makes the better Amsoil actually less expensive than the OEM oil and gives better protection.

I like better....

 

[jthornton]

I'm running 5k~6k+ between changes. I wouldn't recommend doing this with BRP's dyno/altered oil but with Amsoil, it tests out just fine at these intervals. Makes the better Amsoil actually less expensive than the OEM oil and gives better protection.

I like better....

What grade of Amsoil oil are you using?

Thanks
John

 

[flybuddy]

I'm running 5k~6k+ between changes. I wouldn't recommend doing this with BRP's dyno/altered oil but with Amsoil, it tests out just fine at these intervals. Makes the better Amsoil actually less expensive than the OEM oil and gives better protection.

I like better....

Is this with the HiFlo oil filter?

 

[2 Cruysyn]

What grade of Amsoil oil are you using?

Thanks
John

Can't speak for Ron but I'm using their 10w-40 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil. Also using the HiFlo filter.