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Oil change light
- Thread starter splake0
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Was told it would have a change oil service light. Does it not?
trikermutha
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What year is the Spyder?
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
No oil change service light that I am aware of. There is an oil pressure light mentioned above, and a low gas light. Have not heard about an oil change service light.
If we are wrong about this...anyone who knows for sure...please come on and let us know.
2015 rts
BajaRon
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There is no 'Oil Change Light'. But as mentioned, there is a low oil pressure light. I'm hoping that you're just asking and you don't actually have the oil pressure light (called an 'Idiot' light, nothing personal, just what they are called). If your oil pressure light is on while the engine is running, regardless of the reason. You need to shut off the engine until you can determine why. No oil pressure for any length of time will kill your engine. Game Over!
This light may come on for a few seconds after an oil change, this is OK. And the reason you should not rev the engine after an oil change for the first 30 seconds or so after the light, if it did come one, goes out.
This light may come on for a few seconds after an oil change, this is OK. And the reason you should not rev the engine after an oil change for the first 30 seconds or so after the light, if it did come one, goes out.
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I am aware of an low oil light and the ramifications that go with it. I was told that there is a change oil light when an oil change is required. But it appears (by all the comments) that there isn’t such a light.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
If a DEALER told you this ....... run from them and never go back .... find a reliable dealer ..... Mike :thumbup:
JayBros
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Amen!!! When I did my first oil change the operator's guide says the oil pressure light goes out in 5 seconds and they were the longest 5 seconds of my Spyder ownership life but it went out right on time.
carbonation
New member
The Spyder does not have an OLM (Oil Life Monitor). No oil change light.
Your 15 should recommend 9000 mile oil changes.
I recommend you make believe the light comes on about half that.
Your 15 should recommend 9000 mile oil changes.
I recommend you make believe the light comes on about half that.
Little Blue
SpyderLovers Ambassador
Oil Change
You can change the oil at 9000 miles or 1 year. Check it out in your owners manual. Enjoy your Ryde Time and be Safe. .....:thumbup:
You can change the oil at 9000 miles or 1 year. Check it out in your owners manual. Enjoy your Ryde Time and be Safe. .....:thumbup:
JayBros
Well-known member
Because the Rotax engineers have tested the living daylights out of engines using the oil they prescribed and have found the engines can easily withstand such use. Equally important, the corporate lawyers have carefully consulted with the engineers and have determined that if a customer follows the engineers recommended service interval the company as a whole can prevail to an acceptable degree in suits brought by owners for engines that fail when owners follow the engineers' recommended change interval. Remember too that with the 1330 ACE engine the oil and filter change interval is 9,300 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
carbonation
New member
I suggest you dive into researching "used oil analysis".
I can assure you that at 9200 miles, your 40 weight oil will check in at a 20 weight.
By 4000 miles, you are in the 30 weight range because of the shearing effects on the viscosity improvers in the oil.
If everyone thinks that's OK, go ahead and change with a 5w20 oil in the first place. If 20 weight is good enough at 9000 miles, it must be good enough at zero.
Do what you want, your choice.
There is more to oil science than a manufacturers recommendation, because their goal is only to get past warranty.
Do you think there might be ANY possibility that the engine is DESIGNED to run on an oil that has the characteristics of a 20w oil? And that BRP's engineers did a lot of testing and found that 40w oil 'degraded' to 20w after 15000 km, so they specified the 40w oil?
If 5w20 oil started as 5w20 and STAYED that way for the specified interval, yeah, we would all be running it, but my manual calls for 5w40, so that's what I use.
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JayBros
Well-known member
A number of years ago, late '14 or early '15, a gentleman from BRP Care named Steve posted an explanation about the viscosity shear in oil in motorcycle engines wherein the engine and transmission shared the same oil as in the 1330 ACE engine. He said that such oil did shear down fairly rapidly, like in 2,000 miles or so then stabilized and remained pretty constant.
BajaRon
Well-known member
It is interesting that the shear characteristics for both the 998 and the 1330 engines are very similar. Allowing for riding styles, loading and environment variables. I would say that they are nearly identical (other than the relatively high oil usage of the 998, which really does not affect this conversation).
It is also interesting that Rotax, the maker of both engines, recommended 20w/50 weight oil for the 998 in the Aprilia motorcycle. The same engine that the V-Twin Spyders use with combustion modifications for increased torque at the expense of some HP.
BRP did not have a 20w/50 weight oil at that time. But they did have a 10w/40. And that is what their manual recommended in the beginning.
Since then, BRP has consolidated their lubricant offerings and now has neither a 20w/50 or a 10w/40 weight oil. But they do have a 5w/40 weight. And this is now their recommend lubricant for both the 998 V-Twin and the 1330.
The service interval for the V-Twin is still 4,500 miles (all the way up until the last production year of 2016). This has not changed. Which is interesting because 4,500 miles is about where the oil really starts to show a steep decline in viscosity. Makes sense to change at this point.
So, why would the 1330, which is arguably at least as hard on oil as the 998, have a service interval over twice what is required for the 998. It is know that there was a lot of pressure on BRP to reduce service costs and extend service interval times for the new Spyder engine which came out in 2014.
We can speculate all day long as to the 'WHY'. And everyone is entitled to their opinion. But you have to ask yourself. Was the original recommended 10w/40 a better choice than the 20w/50 recommended by the company who manufactures the 998 V-Twin? And is the 5w/40, now recommended, a better choice than the previous 10w/40 recommendation?
I have to say, all very interesting. Just don't expect any universally satisfying answers.
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