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NEW UPDATE TO THE NHTSA INVESTIGATION
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PMK
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Been wondering for a while, and I agree there may be tuning issues also. Someone mentioned the exhaust pipes are a double wall design. No doubt to try and keep direct true exhaust pipe heat from radiating.
Is it viable to modify the insulating chamber by venting it. Envision, adding a welded fitting near the head pipe and a second fitting near the opposite end and forcing cooler air along the exhaust pipes insulating chamber. High temp silicone hose could be plumbed to a small fan with a manifold to split the airflow into two paths, one for each pipe assembly. This could be run constantly or set to trigger the fan at a given underbody temp.
Just an idea I have not had before and thought I would share.
PK
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Bob Denman
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There might be...
If folks actually did some research, before they got excited over BIG savings, and started writing checks. :banghead:
2RTsGV
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I somewhat agree with you, however 1st time buyers (myself included) have limited or no knowledge of existing forum groups and when I bought my 2013 (new) there were no signs saying to steer clear of the 2013 Spyder nor did the dealer tell me that the year model had heat issues.
jcthorne
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Close but more likely water cooled like on boats. Its actually not that large of a heat load just to keep the pipes cool. Most of the heat still goes out the exhaust. A water jacketed manifold could solve this but I bet the existing radiator is not large enough for the additional capacity.
JkRbbt
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I really don't see the Spyder concept "going away" no matter what the outcome of the heat issue for 2013 and previous model years. Seems BRP got a grip on it with the redesign of the frame/motor/exhaust for 2014. And the 21015 F-3? Well, that is a whole new baby and I doubt that is going away. With that said, I, as others, lost a bunch o' $$$ when I traded my 2013 RTL for a 2014 RTS just to get rid of the fumes in the garage. The only "savings" I incurred was to NOT drill holes, coat the exhaust, get a new air cleaner..., etc, etc. BRP screwed up the design and I am just thankful I didn't have a fire in my ATTACHED garage, :yikes:, and thankful my dealer gave me a "reasonable" deal on my trade. I am happy, now, with my 2014 Spyder, but confidence in BRP is not high!
Magdave
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Just a word from the investigator. Although he is glad to receive emails you MUST go to the NHTSA website to file a complaint not by email to him.:thumbup:
http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Owners
http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Owners
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PMK
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I too considered water or liquid cooling, but as mentioned in the next post, it could entail some serious redesign in other components such as radiator and plumbing. Forced air would not better for cooling over liquid cooling, but does remain simple. Just an idea, not something carved on stone and carried down a mountain.
PK
PrairieSpyder
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I'm glad they are doing a thorough investigation and I hope there will be some real solutions for the problems. I don't know what sort of quality management processes BRP uses but they surely know they have a problem. I worked in a corporation that was committed to world-class quality management, and I'm always surprised when I see other companies fall short. It's so much cheaper to have quality control on the front end than on the back-end after customers are affected. Maybe they'll learn that lesson soon.
jcthorne
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Yeah, your right. The more I thought about it and trying to figure out if I could do something like that the harder it became. Forget the idea. But the forced air idea still has merit.
CruiseRT
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Filed complaint and sent investigator all the infomation I have collected.
Orange Spyder Man
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Magdave
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:thumbup:
obiwan57
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Thank you for the great information! I have just sent my BRP case number and an email to BRP to Mr. Young, along with my local dealer's response. The technician had not heard anything about a heat abatement effort by BRP, by the way. I dealing with a Purge Valve and Evap Canister issue along with the heat, as well as a possible ECM problem. The Spyder's still under BRP warranty.
obiwan57
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BLUEKNIGHT911
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HOW ABOUT THIS
......Paul , I'm certainly no Expert in this area . But I have heard that " THERMAL CERAMIC COATING " the inside and outside of the exhaust pipes can have a dramatic effect in lowering the Temp of the pipes on the outside !!!!...................or is this just B.S., ........if not I think it's relatively simple and certainly more cost effective than anything involving Water or Air jackets on the pipes .................JMHO//////Mike :thumbup:
PMK
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Mike, I have experience with coating inside and exterior surface of single walled exhaust tubes on aircraft. In my opinion it certainly works.
I have also had discussion with others about how the engine is tuned, and it too is not a good setup.
Overall engines and exhaust make heat. We have no references of exhaust gas temps that I am aware of.
There are people that use air fuel ratio gauge setups and have richened mixtures lowering EGT and in general cooling the combustion process while no doubt adding longevity to the engine.
Is it possible that the heat issue is really a series of errors added up to see these high temps?
A lean engine program, inadequate or borderline heat protection of underbody components, poor airflow paths to remove heat that accumulates under the exterior body panels, and the often mentioned EVAP systems and carbon catch can plus the valve and controls. Difficult to say, but at this point, not much BRP has tested is working for them.
Possibly it is time for BRP to purchase an Aprillia and see how it compares in the engine management settings, or if possible see if this data can be shared by Rotax to BRP.
PK
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jcthorne
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Rotax is part of BRP. They have the data unless Aprilla uses their own engine management system after purchasing the engine. But even then, very different intended purposes and tuning.
It does seem like a lot of small error or decisions that have added up against BRP here. Each on its own would not likely have caused all these problems. Its not a simple fix like drilling some holes. BRP is going to be forced to spend some money to fix or buy back.
It does seem like a lot of small error or decisions that have added up against BRP here. Each on its own would not likely have caused all these problems. Its not a simple fix like drilling some holes. BRP is going to be forced to spend some money to fix or buy back.
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