New Trans filter length??

[claychaser]

OK, I have searched through posts...can't find the answer. Could someone please tell me the length of the new transmission filter? I have a 2013 SE5. I want to make sure the dealer gave me the correct one.

On a semi related note, I pulled the Spyder up in reverse on my two car ramps, no problems. I am going to jack the rear tire up almost off the ground via the swing arm and a block of wood between the swing arm and my floor jack. The first of many oil changes.

Thanks guys!

 

[Chupaca]

Don't know..!!

The measuments but if the dealer gave you the filters hopfully they are correct. Someone here must know if not pull the tras filter first and compare. Most dealers don't carry the smalker one and sell the longer one with the new cover...bajaron sells these filters and he may know.. :dontknow:

 

[russj_20]

If you received part # 219800258 then you have the correct filter. That comes as a kit with the filter o-ring new cover, and a sticker that says you have the updated filter. They still do not sell the filters individually (separate from the kit) and the dealer was supposed to get rid of all their old stock.

 

[billybovine]

It is 1.88 inches from cap to cap. The new filter paper is reinforced with a metal mesh. I got one from a dealer late last year that was a filter only. Coming as a kit was a temporary freebie and it looks like it is coming to an end.

 

[russj_20]

The filter kit was supposed to come to an end last May but that never happened. Even in the oil change kits for the SE5, the HCM filter comes in the same kit. Cover, O-ring, Filter and Sticker. Maybe someday but there are still some spyders out there with the old style filter in them.

 

[claychaser]

Thanks everyone for your help. Did my first oil change last night. Dealer did first one. The trans oil filter was 1.88 inches long, so dealer must have done longer se5 conversion at first change. The trans filter number is not the one mentioned earlier in this thread - but the filter the dealer gave me was the correct one. I'm a might confused, but its workin' for me! Both filters have mesh on them.

I used filters from BRP dealer (he had everything packaged together as a "kit", am am using Castrol Full Synthetic RS oil. I am going to change at 3,500 miles, I think this is right.

Thanks again guys.

Ride save!

 

[Magdave]

The 2013 came with then new filter setup from the factory. :thumbup:

 

[billybovine]

Magdave is correct. All 2013s came with the larger filter, since the change happened in 2012. No converting to do. Yes both filters have a mesh reinforcement.

 

[PatrickH]

HCM Filter?

Hello Billybovine,

You seem knowledgeable about oil & filters so I expect you'll easily be able to answer my question: My 2014 RT owner's manual talks about changing the engine oil filter (that, I understand) and the HCM filter (don't have a clue about that). Can you tell me what is an HCM filter?

I'll be looking for your answer.

Regards, Patrick

Magdave is correct. All 2013s came with the larger filter, since the change happened in 2012. No converting to do. Yes both filters have a mesh reinforcement.

 

[Magdave]

Hello Billybovine,

You seem knowledgeable about oil & filters so I expect you'll easily be able to answer my question: My 2014 RT owner's manual talks about changing the engine oil filter (that, I understand) and the HCM filter (don't have a clue about that). Can you tell me what is an HCM filter?

I'll be looking for your answer.

Regards, Patrick

It is the tranny filter.

 

[PatrickH]

Thanks & viscosity question

Hello Magdave,

Thanks for answering my question about HCM filter. I suspected that, but just term HCM filter wasn't very descriptive!

Now, I have a question about oil spec: My manual says "Use the XPS 4-STROKE SYNTH. BLEND OIL (SUMMER) (P/N 293 600 121) or a 5W40 semi-synthetic (minimum) or synthetic motorcycle oil meeting the requirements for API service SL, SJ, SH, SG or higher classification."

When I started looking for oil at the parts house that met those specs, I didn't find many 5w40s that met the rest of the spec; however, my choices would have been greater if I included viscosity rating 0w40 in the mix. It would seem to my uneducated eye, that 0w40 would do everything 5w40 could do and perhaps a little better in cold weather. Do you know whether 0w40 would be considered by BRP to meet their spec? I'd think it would exceed it, but am curious to know whether anyone has gotten any sort of definitive feedback on the subject from BRP or their representatives?

Regards, PatrickH

It is the tranny filter.

 

[billybovine]

Hello Magdave,

Thanks for answering my question about HCM filter. I suspected that, but just term HCM filter wasn't very descriptive!

Now, I have a question about oil spec: My manual says "Use the XPS 4-STROKE SYNTH. BLEND OIL (SUMMER) (P/N 293 600 121) or a 5W40 semi-synthetic (minimum) or synthetic motorcycle oil meeting the requirements for API service SL, SJ, SH, SG or higher classification."

When I started looking for oil at the parts house that met those specs, I didn't find many 5w40s that met the rest of the spec; however, my choices would have been greater if I included viscosity rating 0w40 in the mix. It would seem to my uneducated eye, that 0w40 would do everything 5w40 could do and perhaps a little better in cold weather. Do you know whether 0w40 would be considered by BRP to meet their spec? I'd think it would exceed it, but am curious to know whether anyone has gotten any sort of definitive feedback on the subject from BRP or their representatives?

Regards, PatrickH

You have not shared what kind of Spyder you have and that makes a difference.
First it says motorcycle oil. Almost all car oil should not be used. I have not seen a 0W40 motorcycle oil so far so what kind was that?
BRP synthetic is 0w40, blended is 5w40. Many are using 10w40 and I believe this is fine unless you want to drive it in winter, in the arctic.
If your engine is a 991 series you missed and important message in your manual. SM rated oil will result in clutch damage. If you have a 1330 engine that warning does not apply.

In regards to your question about the HCM filter. HCM stands for Hydraulic Control Module. It is the box bolted on the side of a SE5 and controls the clutch and shifts the gears using engine oil. It is commonly called a tranny filter but the oil that goes through it does not go to the transmission.

 

[PatrickH]

Motorcycle oil?

Hello Billybovine,

I'm driving a 2014 Rt. I was not looking for motorcycle oil on the shelf. Nothing I saw with the motorcycle descriptor in the name came close, but a couple of the oils w/o MOTORCYCLE met the spec otherwise. What's the difference?

Regards, Patrick

You have not shared what kind of Spyder you have and that makes a difference.
First it says motorcycle oil. Almost all car oil should not be used. I have not seen a 0W40 motorcycle oil so far so what kind was that?
BRP synthetic is 0w40, blended is 5w40. Many are using 10w40 and I believe this is fine unless you want to drive it in winter, in the arctic.
If your engine is a 991 series you missed and important message in your manual. SM rated oil will result in clutch damage. If you have a 1330 engine that warning does not apply.

In regards to your question about the HCM filter. HCM stands for Hydraulic Control Module. It is the box bolted on the side of a SE5 and controls the clutch and shifts the gears using engine oil. It is commonly called a tranny filter but the oil that goes through it does not go to the transmission.

 

[billybovine]

Hello Billybovine,

I'm driving a 2014 Rt. I was not looking for motorcycle oil on the shelf. Nothing I saw with the motorcycle descriptor in the name came close, but a couple of the oils w/o MOTORCYCLE met the spec otherwise. What's the difference?

Regards, Patrick

The additives to make the oil slippery to improve gas mileage do not play well with an oil bath wet clutch commonly found on motorcycles.

 

[PatrickH]

Motorcycle oil?

Hello Billybovine,

Thanks for the education. I appreciate it.

Regards, Patrick

The additives to make the oil slippery to improve gas mileage do not play well with an oil bath wet clutch commonly found on motorcycles.

 

[Omcge]

Tranny Filter

The 2013 came with then new filter setup from the factory. :thumbup:

My 2013 RT ltd that I purchased in August came with the short filter. I didn't know anything about it when I Had the dealer do the 600 mile service
and I still have the short filter. Had the parts counter order the kit and it'still the short one. I have about 7000 miles on it now.:banghead::banghead:

Has anyone had trouble with the short tranny filter? Was it the same on all previous models?

 

[Spyder in La.]

... My 2013 ST-L came with the short filter, however, the dealer upgraded to larger size after the break-in period...

 

[BajaRon]

You have not shared what kind of Spyder you have and that makes a difference.
First it says motorcycle oil. Almost all car oil should not be used. I have not seen a 0W40 motorcycle oil so far so what kind was that?
BRP synthetic is 0w40, blended is 5w40. Many are using 10w40 and I believe this is fine unless you want to drive it in winter, in the arctic.
If your engine is a 991 series you missed and important message in your manual. SM rated oil will result in clutch damage. If you have a 1330 engine that warning does not apply.

In regards to your question about the HCM filter. HCM stands for Hydraulic Control Module. It is the box bolted on the side of a SE5 and controls the clutch and shifts the gears using engine oil. It is commonly called a tranny filter but the oil that goes through it does not go to the transmission.

Not exactly. The Blended BRP oil is 10w40, their 'Full Synthetic' is 5w-40.

You are correct that many people are using 10w-40 Amsoil and probably other brands as well. The most important number is the 2nd one. This is the viscosity at operating temperature. The 1st number is the viscosity cold (at a certain temperature which I don't remember but since all oils are measured at the same low and high temperature it is relative).

My 2013 RT ltd that I purchased in August came with the short filter. I didn't know anything about it when I Had the dealer do the 600 mile service
and I still have the short filter. Had the parts counter order the kit and it'still the short one. I have about 7000 miles on it now.:banghead::banghead:

Has anyone had trouble with the short tranny filter? Was it the same on all previous models?

Are you sure! Something is very wrong here. It is possible, of course, to put the shorter filter in the extended cap. Of course you will get ZERO oil filtration if this is done.

Measure your transmission cap length. If it is 7/8" then you have the short version. Yours should be 1-3/8" which is the extended version. All 2013's came from the factory with the extended filter. At least they were supposed to have.

As far as I know, you can't even get the shorter cap or filter from BRP anymore. And dealers were supposed to send all short filters back to the factory in 2012.

 

[billybovine]

Not exactly. The Blended BRP oil is 10w40, their 'Full Synthetic' is 5w-40.

You must have forgotten but we went through this before. According to the BRP web site for their oil http://xpslubricants.com/oils.asp?veh=sp . The MSDS for blended, the file name is "BRP Semi Syn 5W40 _2192_" and the description is pictured below. The MSDS for Synthetic the file name is BRP Synthetic 4T 0W40 _2213_

 

[Highwayman2013]

Just picked up an oil change kit yesterday at my local dealer and it had the longer trans filter with the longer cap and sticker. Since I put the upgrade in on the last change I now have a spare short and long cover for the trans filter.