Less oil recommended

[ulflyer]

OK. I talked directly with the tech and the service manager at the dealer where this controversy started. The information the tech now has from BRP is the same as in Lamont’s post – 4.7 liters SE, 4.9 liters SE plus HCM filter, 4.5 liters SM. He said that when you fill it with those quantities, then ride it and check it hot, his experience so far shows a dipstick reading just above minimum. There is no reduction beyond those stated numbers.

The confusion about whether this is a reduction or not comes from other info where BRP said to put 5.6 liters in an SE for a full change. The info in the owner’s manual (from the BRP website) shows the following (pasted directly from the owner’s manual):

SM6 Model
12. Pour 4.9 L (5.2 qt (U.S. liq.)) of the
recommended oil into the engine.

SE6 Model
13. Pour 5.3 L (5.6 qt (U.S. liq.)) of the
recommended oil into the engine.

NOTE: For SE6 model, when the the
HCM oil filter is also replaced, the
total oil quantity to add will be 5.6 L
(5.9 qt (U.S. liq.)).

The reduction from 5.6 liters full-blown SE oil change to 4.9 liters is a reduction of about 0.7 quarts. The info the tech got from BRP said that this extra 0.7 quarts could cause a reduction in power, as Lamont indicated. The key as the tech said is 1) use the numbers Lamont posted, 2) check it hot after a ride, and 3) keep it above the minimum.

Still seems to leave unanswered questions such as will they change the owner’s manual, and is there a change in the allowable range? If 4.9 liters is optimum and what you fill it with, how low can you go as oil is consumed? Are you flirting with too low and must be extra vigilant about keeping it above the minimum?

Hope this provided some clarification.

I changed mine today with Motul 7100 which came in Liter bottles and put in exactly 5 Liters rather than trying to measure out some small amount . After running it, the oil level is exactly on the middle bulb of the stick. Previously I had used 5.6 qts which put it at the top of the stick.

Correction: After a longer run today it checked out about 3/16th inch above the center bulb on the stick, rather than right on the bulb
as I previously reported.

 

[A1A]

I'm wondering why anyone would not change the HCM surface filter on the SE6. When doing a 9,300 mile oil service?

4.7L without HCM surface filter change SE6.
4.9 with HCM surface filter change SE6.

 

[A1A]

Similar to changing the automatic transmission filter in a car at each manufacturer recommended engine oil change. Granted the Spyder willbe more contaminated since the system is shared engine gearbox. However the fluid is changed more frequently than a car would be based on oem recommended intervals.

PK

Do they reccomed changing the HCM surface filter SE6 during the 3,000 mile break-in oil sevice?

 

[A1A]

No, 28k miles.

The list of items for each mileage or calender time is published in the owners manual.

PK

I still have my 2012 RTS-SE5, but seriously considering a 2014 RTS-SE6.:spyder2:

 

[Jim&Teresa]

Just completed 2nd oil change at 10,000 miles

The dealer performed the first oil change and service at 3,000 miles. This time, I changed the oil and filter and utilized the new recommended oil amounts shown below (per Lamont's post #13 on this thread):

4.7L = 5 quarts and that's what I put into the engine. Just got back from a 30 mile run and checked oil level.


FYI - oil level on dipstick: It is showing at the "low" mark on the dipstick.

Since the 2014 RT has been AWESOME and has not used a drop of oil, I will monitor this level and insure it does not go below that mark. IF this is the new recommended oil level, then why do we use "old" measuring dipsticks. It would seem a new dipstick by BRP is in order here to insure we follow proper oil levels in our engines on the 1330's. IMHO !

 

[Jim&Teresa]

Oil Plug Wrench Sizes for the 1330 based on my experience....

The dealer performed the first oil change and service at 3,000 miles. This time, I changed the oil and filter and utilized the new recommended oil amounts shown below (per Lamont's post #13 on this thread):

4.7L = 5 quarts and that's what I put into the engine. Just got back from a 30 mile run and checked oil level.


FYI - oil level on dipstick: It is showing at the "low" mark on the dipstick.

Since the 2014 RT has been AWESOME and has not used a drop of oil, I will monitor this level and insure it does not go below that mark. IF this is the new recommended oil level, then why do we use "old" measuring dipsticks. It would seem a new dipstick by BRP is in order here to insure we follow proper oil levels in our engines on the 1330's. IMHO !

Hi all, I think I damaged the transmission drain plug using a T40 Torx on it. I ordered a new drain plug as I don't want to deal with that one again...It was "mushy" when taking it off and I used a torque wrench, to spec, putting it on.

I received the new one today and it IS a 6MM allen that is the correct wrench size for the transmission drain plug based on this replacement plug received.

The engine drain plug T45 Torx worked perfectly.

FYI....good luck! :thumbup:

Here's a few pictures of my new transmission drain plug:

 

[BajaRon]

Very Strange that BRP would supply 6qt in their SM6 Kit & 7qt in their SE6 Kit

You have to wonder why a dry sump system would be this sensitive to oil level in the reservoir tank. But then all dry sump systems have a fill level so there must be something to it. The SE's seem to be more sensitive to oil levels than the SM's.

You'd think that BRP would have this kind of thing ironed out long before production begins. But things can get lost in the shuffle at times.

The service kits sold by BRP would certainly lead you to believe that you needed more oil than you do. Maybe the extra quart is intended for topping off during the 9,000 mile service interval. But 2 full quarts on the SE's seems a bit much.

I have been quoting pricing for the wrong amount of Amsoil needed. I should have checked the the service specs and not gone with the service kit amounts.

 

[SpyderAnn01]

Ron, thanks for resurrecting this thread as I missed it when it first came out. Of course, I just changed my oil 2 days ago and used the full 5.2 quarts.

I'm surprised that they didn't mail a replacement page for the owners manual like they did back when they changed the torque specs several years ago.

 

[BajaRon]

Ron, thanks for resurrecting this thread as I missed it when it first came out. Of course, I just changed my oil 2 days ago and used the full 5.2 quarts.

I'm surprised that they didn't mail a replacement page for the owners manual like they did back when they changed the torque specs several years ago.

I missed this thread the 1st time as well. I'm surprised that there hasn't been more discussion about it as it seems somewhat important. I was referred to it by another SpyderRider or I'd still be in the dark!

 

[Orange Spyder Man]

I'll follow the owners manual recommendation until BRP changes what is printed in the manual.. warranty purposes... what's the old saying "CYA"

osm

 

[BajaRon]

I'll follow the owners manual recommendation until BRP changes what is printed in the manual.. warranty purposes... what's the old saying "CYA"

osm

A reasonable approach. But still doesn't explain 7 quarts in the SE6 oil change kit from BRP.

 

[wis2013rtltd]

Maybe BRP Steve

could chime in and put this to rest. Would be nice to have the proper oil amount!!

 

[Doc - Riverside]

BRP Care already posted about this subject on 10/10/2014

could chime in and put this to rest. Would be nice to have the proper oil amount!!

Steve went into great detail on the proper way to check the oil level and in post #23 he also published the correct oil capacity.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...erification-Procedure-on-1330-engined-Spyders

 

[Questions]

Service Manual Revised

I'll follow the owners manual recommendation until BRP changes what is printed in the manual.. warranty purposes... what's the old saying "CYA"

osm

BRP did send out a notice to dealers and techs, I think in March of 2014. They had a revised version of the service manual that was to be printed off. It had these changes published inside.

 

[Utahrider]

Less Oil

I thought I was seeing things when I checked my oil this past weekend. The oil did not even show in the Minimum range on the dip stick. Bought oil yesterday and little at a time put in maybe half a qt. of oil. I now have oil registering two lines above minimum and the spyder sounds smoother - go figure right !:clap: