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bluestratos
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If I understand Lamont correctly, there is no concern, things have not changed.
From5.3L to 4.7L looks like a difference to me that is on the SE6
Bob Denman
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I've got a Turkey Baster here, with a hunk of fuel line attached... :thumbup:
Thanks!
I figured it best to double-check, before giving it a try...
Thanks!
I figured it best to double-check, before giving it a try...
bluestratos
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I meant the reading on the stick, it still should read no more than Max correct?
The way I understand it max will be at the bottom add mark....
bluestratos
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I would want to hear more on this before I lower the oil level. I am slightly high now (over max when fully warmed up) so I may take it down to the half way mark to see what happens.
Jim&Teresa
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Oil Level on the 1330 - say what?
I was always taught to always keep the oil at the correct level in any engine I owned.
BRP should provide owners directly with critical info like this to maintain their vehicle to the correct oil levels and provide a new dipstick to insure we NOW have the correct amount of oil in them, not just at the next oil change. :lecturef_smilie:
It also bothers me that we could see 30% loss of power due to too much oil - wow! What, if any, damage or excess stresses is the engine going through that provides that much power drop? Very concerned on this one! :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:
I appreciate Lamont providing the oil capacity info and details on his 8-19-14 post! :clap:These are Lamont's comments:
"He may be mistaken. They did change the spec on the amount of oil to be used in the 1330. What they said was as much as a liter too much oil can cause a 30% loss of power. The marks from full to low is 1/2 a quart so 1 full quart would not show on the dip stick."
I think I'm running it on the full mark when bike has run for a long run....with that said, I must have too much oil in the bike by doing due diligence on the oil level! Wow, that's hard to take.....do I reduce the current oil level knowing it may not show on the dipstick? Do I reduce the current oil level as I maybe losing as much as 30% power? Again, very concerned when reading this!
The "real question" is: Where on the dipstick should the oil level be when you have a warmed up bike? The dipstick, I believe has a section on it below the low oil mark...so we could measure it.
Best results would be to know for sure what the oil level spec is (directly from BRP) before doing anything, then BRP to provide us the proper oil dipstick!
You thoughts/comments welcome! :thumbup:
I was always taught to always keep the oil at the correct level in any engine I owned.
BRP should provide owners directly with critical info like this to maintain their vehicle to the correct oil levels and provide a new dipstick to insure we NOW have the correct amount of oil in them, not just at the next oil change. :lecturef_smilie:
It also bothers me that we could see 30% loss of power due to too much oil - wow! What, if any, damage or excess stresses is the engine going through that provides that much power drop? Very concerned on this one! :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:
I appreciate Lamont providing the oil capacity info and details on his 8-19-14 post! :clap:These are Lamont's comments:
"He may be mistaken. They did change the spec on the amount of oil to be used in the 1330. What they said was as much as a liter too much oil can cause a 30% loss of power. The marks from full to low is 1/2 a quart so 1 full quart would not show on the dip stick."
I think I'm running it on the full mark when bike has run for a long run....with that said, I must have too much oil in the bike by doing due diligence on the oil level! Wow, that's hard to take.....do I reduce the current oil level knowing it may not show on the dipstick? Do I reduce the current oil level as I maybe losing as much as 30% power? Again, very concerned when reading this!
The "real question" is: Where on the dipstick should the oil level be when you have a warmed up bike? The dipstick, I believe has a section on it below the low oil mark...so we could measure it.
Best results would be to know for sure what the oil level spec is (directly from BRP) before doing anything, then BRP to provide us the proper oil dipstick!
You thoughts/comments welcome! :thumbup:
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bluestratos
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I hope someone can provide a definitive answer:
- Using the supplied dipstick it should read between the low and high marks but not higher (yes/no)
- Reduce the oil lever to read full at the bottom of the dipstick (hard to believe) (yes/no)
ulflyer
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With 10k on the bike now, and several oil changes done, I don't know what all the fuss is about. It has more power than
I know what to do with as it is.
I run mine with it showing to the full mark when its hot and until I hear something definite from BRP or a TSB from my dealer, thats where its gonna stay.
If it makes you feel better, run it with it showing just on the tip of the stick. Won't matter one bit to the engine or transmission.
I know what to do with as it is.
I run mine with it showing to the full mark when its hot and until I hear something definite from BRP or a TSB from my dealer, thats where its gonna stay.
If it makes you feel better, run it with it showing just on the tip of the stick. Won't matter one bit to the engine or transmission.
Clarification
OK. I talked directly with the tech and the service manager at the dealer where this controversy started. The information the tech now has from BRP is the same as in Lamont’s post – 4.7 liters SE, 4.9 liters SE plus HCM filter, 4.5 liters SM. He said that when you fill it with those quantities, then ride it and check it hot, his experience so far shows a dipstick reading just above minimum. There is no reduction beyond those stated numbers.
The confusion about whether this is a reduction or not comes from other info where BRP said to put 5.6 liters in an SE for a full change. The info in the owner’s manual (from the BRP website) shows the following (pasted directly from the owner’s manual):
SM6 Model
12. Pour 4.9 L (5.2 qt (U.S. liq.)) of the
recommended oil into the engine.
SE6 Model
13. Pour 5.3 L (5.6 qt (U.S. liq.)) of the
recommended oil into the engine.
NOTE: For SE6 model, when the the
HCM oil filter is also replaced, the
total oil quantity to add will be 5.6 L
(5.9 qt (U.S. liq.)).
The reduction from 5.6 liters full-blown SE oil change to 4.9 liters is a reduction of about 0.7 quarts. The info the tech got from BRP said that this extra 0.7 quarts could cause a reduction in power, as Lamont indicated. The key as the tech said is 1) use the numbers Lamont posted, 2) check it hot after a ride, and 3) keep it above the minimum.
Still seems to leave unanswered questions such as will they change the owner’s manual, and is there a change in the allowable range? If 4.9 liters is optimum and what you fill it with, how low can you go as oil is consumed? Are you flirting with too low and must be extra vigilant about keeping it above the minimum?
Hope this provided some clarification.
OK. I talked directly with the tech and the service manager at the dealer where this controversy started. The information the tech now has from BRP is the same as in Lamont’s post – 4.7 liters SE, 4.9 liters SE plus HCM filter, 4.5 liters SM. He said that when you fill it with those quantities, then ride it and check it hot, his experience so far shows a dipstick reading just above minimum. There is no reduction beyond those stated numbers.
The confusion about whether this is a reduction or not comes from other info where BRP said to put 5.6 liters in an SE for a full change. The info in the owner’s manual (from the BRP website) shows the following (pasted directly from the owner’s manual):
SM6 Model
12. Pour 4.9 L (5.2 qt (U.S. liq.)) of the
recommended oil into the engine.
SE6 Model
13. Pour 5.3 L (5.6 qt (U.S. liq.)) of the
recommended oil into the engine.
NOTE: For SE6 model, when the the
HCM oil filter is also replaced, the
total oil quantity to add will be 5.6 L
(5.9 qt (U.S. liq.)).
The reduction from 5.6 liters full-blown SE oil change to 4.9 liters is a reduction of about 0.7 quarts. The info the tech got from BRP said that this extra 0.7 quarts could cause a reduction in power, as Lamont indicated. The key as the tech said is 1) use the numbers Lamont posted, 2) check it hot after a ride, and 3) keep it above the minimum.
Still seems to leave unanswered questions such as will they change the owner’s manual, and is there a change in the allowable range? If 4.9 liters is optimum and what you fill it with, how low can you go as oil is consumed? Are you flirting with too low and must be extra vigilant about keeping it above the minimum?
Hope this provided some clarification.
bluestratos
New member
Ok, keep it just above minimum so it shows on the stick. Thanks for the info! 
bluestratos
New member
Well I pulled out 24 ounces to get it so it is just reading above the add mark. I guess I will see if there is any difference.
Regards,
Regards,
Lamont's post has the correct info. BRP has not put out an advisory to customers because nothing has actually changed. The oil level should still be checked the same way that it always has been and the oil level should still remain between the min and max marks. There was a typo in the quantities to refill with and that is what the technician was referring to. If you did the oil change the proper way and added the "old" published amount WITHOUT checking the dipstick, you would probably end up over full. Then you might see a loss in power due to the excess oil.
It is not saying to run less oil to get more horsepower.
It is not saying that the dipstick is wrong.
Keep checking your oil the published way as you always have and your Spyder will be perfect
It is not saying to run less oil to get more horsepower.
It is not saying that the dipstick is wrong.
Keep checking your oil the published way as you always have and your Spyder will be perfect
Ok someone explain to me what is a HCM surface filter... it says oil filter and HCM surface filter... have look at the engine break down and can find nothing about it...He may be mistaken. They did change the spec on the amount of oil to be used in the 1330. What they said was as much as a liter too much oil can cause a 30% loss of power. The marks from full to low is 1/2 a quart so 1 full quart would not show on the dip stick.
billybovine
Active member
You would think the HCM filter is on the HCM not the engine. Since there is no exploded view of the HCM it's going to be real hard to find.
Memo to BRP you are calling it the HCM again after calling it the TCM for a couple years. Choose one stick with it.
Memo to BRP you are calling it the HCM again after calling it the TCM for a couple years. Choose one stick with it.
billybovine
Active member
The HCM was listed under Clutch Cover. Well hidden. That's it #16. $124.99 CAD. Likely $99.99 for you folks below the border.
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