Lamonster / Baldwin Iron Works cat delete - baffle or not?

[UtahPete]

I have a Monster Stage 2 ECU Flash and now I'm installing the cat delete pipe. I'm a little confused about whether or not I should install the baffle and if so, should I also install the plug in the baffle?

I've read all the threads I can on the subject and found nothing definitive, particularly with the ECU Flash. Some say install the baffle but without the plug to provide needed back pressure. BUT, I have not gone to a straight-thru muffler - I'm staying with my OEM muffler; does that by itself provide enough back-pressure or do I still need the baffle in the cat delete pipe?

What about noise? Jane is not interested in having additional exhaust noise when we are two-up touring.

I'm looking for an opinion from someone with technical knowledge. Thanks.

 

[UtahPete]

Bump...I'm ready to install the pipe once I know which baffle option I should go with.

 

[Cobwebs]

If noise is the overiding consideration you're going to have to bolt it up a few times till your good lady is happy is how i see it.
Damn i went all subjective, sorry:banghead:
Those springs get easier once you've drawn blood a few timesopcorn:

 

[UtahPete]

If noise is the overiding consideration you're going to have to bolt it up a few times till your good lady is happy is how i see it.
Damn i went all subjective, sorry:banghead: Those springs get easier once you've drawn blood a few timesopcorn:

Bolt it up? What does that mean?

So far so good with the spring removal.

 

[Cobwebs]

Bolt it up? What does that mean?

So far so good with the spring removal.

Oh sorry, water goes down the drain in the opposite direction down here
Try various settings with your baffle is what I meant.No baffle, or baffle without the end cap or end cap in a different hole till you get the sweet spot your wife likes.
What was your main reason for getting the cat delete heat,nicer sound,performance, weight ?

 

[UtahPete]

Oh sorry, water goes down the drain in the opposite direction down here
Try various settings with your baffle is what I meant.No baffle, or baffle without the end cap or end cap in a different hole till you get the sweet spot your wife likes.
What was your main reason for getting the cat delete heat,nicer sound,performance, weight ?

It's recommended with the ECU flash I had done.

 

[Cobwebs]

It's recommended with the ECU flash I had done.

It's your call really, they would say that to extract all available advantage of the flash if its a one size fits all flash . The more you baffle it down extracts from that.
Stock muffler and no baffle would be my starting point and let the prodding in the ribs by your wife be your guide as to the acceptance of the sound. Bruised ribs= needs baffle. Walking home=baffle with end cap needed.:shemademe_smilie:

 

[2dogs]

With stage 2 now you are going to be fast enough that the baffle in or out is not going to make enough difference to notice. I left my baffle in and mine is torquey both top and bottom end. Besides, I go with the old saying, if mom's not happy no one's happy. I think the reflash is going to make up for whichever way you go.

 

[UtahPete]

With stage 2 now you are going to be fast enough that the baffle in or out is not going to make enough difference to notice. I left my baffle in and mine is torquey both top and bottom end. Besides, I go with the old saying, if mom's not happy no one's happy. I think the reflash is going to make up for whichever way you go.

Okay, I think I'll split the difference and put the baffle in to help with the noise issue, but leave the plug out. Thanks.

 

[UtahPete]

Okay, I think I'll split the difference and put the baffle in to help with the noise issue, but leave the plug out. Thanks.

Update; I 'forgot' to put the baffle in. It has a raspy snarl sound under throttle as others have said. On the road it feels quicker (very subjective) and definitely pulls harder at lower rpm, so no issues with insufficient back pressure. I did a couple of quick run ups and 0-60 is 3 seconds or less (guessing - no stopwatch).

I took Jane out for a 15 mile jaunt and she reports the exhaust is louder, but she can live with it for now. We'll do a long trip soon and if she finds it really annoying, we can try the baffle in, but for now we're good to go.

 

[Cobwebs]

Update; I 'forgot' to put the baffle in.....

LOL :roflblack:

 

[DGoebel]

UtahPete, I got the Baldwin as well, will be installing tomorrow with the full baffle and plug and all, will drive it around and test, I'm doing it more for heat reduction. Also Heat wrapped the cat delete with DEI products.
Will be using stock final muffler till I can find the one I like.

 

[RazzleH]

I didn't wory about back pressure because I don't rev high enough for long enough for that to matter. Noise is something I don't care for, particlarly on long rydes so I kept that part intact and let the standard muffler burble a little more. I recently finished a Black Dog Ride to Red Centre, 7642 km door to door from home in about two weeks (my wife knows exactly to the minute, lol). Very happy with everything to do with the cat delete pipe mod. Performance wise it fits well with the Pedal Commander. Lagging the pipe for sound damping was considered but after that trip decided it not necessary.