It's Official - BRP charges premium prices

[bone crusher]

I would agree that your figure is correct. I had the opportunity to speak to many Canadians from all walks of life this summer and they all love the system. The majority of Americans are already on government run health programs (Medicaid, Medicare, Military) - so obviously they could make it work for the rest of us. For what I pay in health insurance I could save up enough cash to buy a Spyder in just 2 years! It is the single most expensive thing I pay for every month - and the least used thing.

Considering BRP doesn't have the burden of the cost of paying for employee healthcare - sure makes them seem pretty greedy indeed.

Much of it may have to do with quantity sold in the US - which should bring the price down, but I hope some of you contact BRP and let them know exactly how you feel about this large price difference!

I know my dealer has sold to people all over the US - and I'm sure you could find someone in Michigan that would strawman this for you-----.

Hate to see anyone denied the fun of owning a Spyder over this.hyea:

The Canadian healthcare system is horrible. First of all, you have to work to get it...it's not GIVEN to anyone...second, when you have to wait 3-4 weeks to have a broken bone set, I don't consider that a success...the list goes on...there is a reason Canadians come to the U.S. for healthcare...note that we don't go there for ours...simply put, it is unconstitutional to require healthcare...period...please read Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution...(gosh I sound libertarian right now...)...

As far as Medicare/caid goes, they are not good programs. As more and more doctors drop out due to horrible reimbursement, what will happen when/if most all doctors opt out of a system that gives them pennies on the dollar. Who will care for all the people? The gov't is best working as an umbrella to make sure companies are fair and do not take advantage of us...they have no place running business...they simply can't do it well...I'll just say, like the postal office, the national debt, social security, and on...the gov't does very little well.

As far as BRP and their 'scaled' prices...they have a right to do what they want to do...it's called free market and it's the greatest thing going...if people don't like it, they don't have to buy it and they can purchase something else...it's kinda like those who pay a premium to a list price on a car. If they wait a while, the price will go down, however, if they want to be the first person to own the vehicle, many times they will pay above sticker...so be it...it's a choice...we should always have choices...

 

[WackyDan]

I don't think it legal for any company, in this case BRP, to tell their dealers who they are allowed to sell to. If a dealer here in the US wants to sell to a Canadian who will pay the asking price, they have every right to make the sale. However it would be up to the purchaser to title and pay any tax due in his home jurisdiction.

We actually cut business partners that deal in "gray market" product. They get their hands on the same product that we sell overseas but for less money in that market and then resell it here. The buyer usually ends up with a UK english or spanish keyboard and different language OS as a by product and it creates support and warranty issues for the buyer and us as a company.

Not saying that is the same situation here, but again, products are priced to the market they are sold in. I'm willing to bet that those that find fault with that are also strong proponents of capitalism and free markets.

 

[WackyDan]

Dan,

Politics is a dangerous conversation to have among friends.

The world health organization ranks the US 37th in healthcare, but those that cite that stat don't realize that the WHO does not have set standards for data collection. In the case of infant mortality rates, France has very different criteria for counting infant deaths. It causes their number to be lower than the US and actually improves their ranking on the list. Until the WHO finds a way to mandate criteria on what counts and when, that ranking is pretty much bunk.

Socialized medicine is pretty good until you realize that we'll all have the same crappy healthcare from Gov-CO and the reason out private insurance is so high is because hospital systems and physicians have pushed their billing higher to help offset the below profitable rates that they are paid by medicaid and medicare. I shudder to think of the quality of care I'll get when a doctor isn't even making money off my visit. Just look to the UK for a prime example of what can go wrong - they started allowing private policies to supplement the public coverage due to dissatisfaction with it. My buddy in the UK was told it would be 9 months before surgery to remove a cyst in his urethra which was causing him pain and discomfort, not to mention that he was worried what it might develop into. He had a private insurance supplement from his employer and had it removed at a private hospital the next week.

The hybrid system of public and private insurance works but with many flaws. With some tweaking, it can be fixed, but I'd like to keep my private insurance thank-you very much.

Sorry all.. I digress. If anyone wants to continue the discussion - just PM me.

I would agree that your figure is correct. I had the opportunity to speak to many Canadians from all walks of life this summer and they all love the system. The majority of Americans are already on government run health programs (Medicaid, Medicare, Military) - so obviously they could make it work for the rest of us. For what I pay in health insurance I could save up enough cash to buy a Spyder in just 2 years! It is the single most expensive thing I pay for every month - and the least used thing.

Considering BRP doesn't have the burden of the cost of paying for employee healthcare - sure makes them seem pretty greedy indeed.

Much of it may have to do with quantity sold in the US - which should bring the price down, but I hope some of you contact BRP and let them know exactly how you feel about this large price difference!

I know my dealer has sold to people all over the US - and I'm sure you could find someone in Michigan that would strawman this for you-----.

Hate to see anyone denied the fun of owning a Spyder over this.hyea:

 

[bone crusher]

We actually cut business partners that deal in "gray market" product. They get their hands on the same product that we sell overseas but for less money in that market and then resell it here. The buyer usually ends up with a UK english or spanish keyboard and different language OS as a by product and it creates support and warranty issues for the buyer and us as a company.

Not saying that is the same situation here, but again, products are priced to the market they are sold in. I'm willing to bet that those that find fault with that are also strong proponents of capitalism and free markets.

I never really understood that 'gray market' stuff! There are so many online stores...some are legit and some are not...I'm sure I've purchased 'gray market' items in the past, but I am really careful with where I buy electronics now so that does not happen anymore...

When I bought my zumo, I purchased it from an online store that ended up charging my credit card but never delivering the product...I got a refund, but what a fraud...I proceeded to just buy it from Amazon as I know it is trustworthy.

 

[timpani]

:agree:

 

[spyryder]

you have to work to get it...it's not GIVEN to anyone...second, when you have to wait 3-4 weeks to have a broken bone set

Hmmmm.....pretty sure EVERYONE gets free healthcare in Canada, working or not.....and I've never had any big problems with waiting lists. They will prioritize more severe cases however.
I just had cataract surgery....appointments were prompt and it didn't cost me a dime.
Here's the rules in my province....I'm sure the rest are similar:

 

[RoadHammer]

it's not free..

 

[spyryder]

it's not free..

No kiddin?:shocked:

 

[bone crusher]

Hmmmm.....pretty sure EVERYONE gets free healthcare in Canada, working or not.....and I've never had any big problems with waiting lists. They will prioritize more severe cases however.
I just had cataract surgery....appointments were prompt and it didn't cost me a dime.
Here's the rules in my province....I'm sure the rest are similar:

If you think the quality of care matches the U.S., then so be it...no more Canadians coming south to the U.S. for care...there would be an uproar if this was enacted.

Socialized medicine, as do all socialistic programs, breed mediocrity. There is no progress as there is no incentive. It's not a crime, nor should it be, to work hard and succeed. The fed. gov't should limit its control and more power should go to the individual states.

Here in the U.S., insurance companies average a 3% profit, which is not high at all. Your company will not grow much with only a 3% profit! The gov't would end up taxing more and just running out of money...no question about this...it happens with all gov't programs...in addition, where are they going to find competent people to run such a program? To anyone who works with Medicare or other social services, you know what I am talking about.

The free market works and it should be the driving factor for our countries and the world. The more the gov't does, the worse off we are...you usually don't get your brightest and best working for the gov't as ambition is best served in the private sector...the gov't is best as an umbrella organization, not as a business owner...the gov't taxes the private sector until it gets to a point of suffocation, then wastes the money and spends more than it gets anway...the gov't then increases its hiring for many more meaningless jobs, and soon you have over 50% of the population working for the gov't...who is left to tax??

The U.S. economy drives world economics...if the gov't takes everything over, that's the end of the 'American Dream'.

A little gov't can go a long way...a big gov't can only lead to more problems...

Okay, I'm off my soapbox and won't comment more on this topic. As far as you guys paying more for Spyders up there, yeah, it stinks, but so too do a lot of other things!

 

[spyryder]

If you think the quality of care matches the U.S., then so be it...no more Canadians coming south to the U.S. for care...there would be an uproar if this was enacted.

Socialized medicine, as do all socialistic programs, breed mediocrity. There is no progress as there is no incentive. It's not a crime, nor should it be, to work hard and succeed. The fed. gov't should limit its control and more power should go to the individual states.

Here in the U.S., insurance companies average a 3% profit, which is not high at all. Your company will not grow much with only a 3% profit! The gov't would end up taxing more and just running out of money...no question about this...it happens with all gov't programs...in addition, where are they going to find competent people to run such a program? To anyone who works with Medicare or other social services, you know what I am talking about.

The free market works and it should be the driving factor for our countries and the world. The more the gov't does, the worse off we are...you usually don't get your brightest and best working for the gov't as ambition is best served in the private sector...the gov't is best as an umbrella organization, not as a business owner...the gov't taxes the private sector until it gets to a point of suffocation, then wastes the money and spends more than it gets anway...the gov't then increases its hiring for many more meaningless jobs, and soon you have over 50% of the population working for the gov't...who is left to tax??

The U.S. economy drives world economics...if the gov't takes everything over, that's the end of the 'American Dream'.

A little gov't can go a long way...a big gov't can only lead to more problems...

Okay, I'm off my soapbox and won't comment more on this topic. As far as you guys paying more for Spyders up there, yeah, it stinks, but so too do a lot of other things!

I was merely pointing out your error about having to have a job to qualify for healthcare. I wasn't comparing the two systems, only my own personal experiences....nuff said.

 

[Questions]

money and spends more than it gets anway...the gov't then increases its hiring for many more meaningless jobs, and soon you have over 50% of the population working for the gov't...who is left to tax??

The U.S. economy drives world economics...if the gov't takes everything over, that's the end of the 'American Dream'. .....we already have over 50% of the work force working at some government job....prison sytems, law enforcement, judical etc...soon it will be medical....but STILL who is left to tax? McDonalds employees?

 

[Questions]

this is by far, the best thread....always great to see there are intelligent, free thinkers out there. thanks for that

 

[WackyDan]

it's not free..

Bingo- but neither are spyders.

 

[Smylinacha]

You got that right!

Let's hope not...as Margaret Thatcher said 'Socialism fails when you run out of everyone elses' money to spend'...too bad this gov't doesn't get it!

 

[Smylinacha]

Well put!!!

If you think the quality of care matches the U.S., then so be it...no more Canadians coming south to the U.S. for care...there would be an uproar if this was enacted.

Socialized medicine, as do all socialistic programs, breed mediocrity. There is no progress as there is no incentive. It's not a crime, nor should it be, to work hard and succeed. The fed. gov't should limit its control and more power should go to the individual states.

Here in the U.S., insurance companies average a 3% profit, which is not high at all. Your company will not grow much with only a 3% profit! The gov't would end up taxing more and just running out of money...no question about this...it happens with all gov't programs...in addition, where are they going to find competent people to run such a program? To anyone who works with Medicare or other social services, you know what I am talking about.

The free market works and it should be the driving factor for our countries and the world. The more the gov't does, the worse off we are...you usually don't get your brightest and best working for the gov't as ambition is best served in the private sector...the gov't is best as an umbrella organization, not as a business owner...the gov't taxes the private sector until it gets to a point of suffocation, then wastes the money and spends more than it gets anway...the gov't then increases its hiring for many more meaningless jobs, and soon you have over 50% of the population working for the gov't...who is left to tax??

The U.S. economy drives world economics...if the gov't takes everything over, that's the end of the 'American Dream'.

A little gov't can go a long way...a big gov't can only lead to more problems...

Okay, I'm off my soapbox and won't comment more on this topic. As far as you guys paying more for Spyders up there, yeah, it stinks, but so too do a lot of other things!

 

[Oldmanzues]

This price difference has been going on for years. Back in the 1960's you could buy a British car in New York for less then you could in London, even without paying the local tax in London and that huge.

The Germans had a program where you could fly to Germany, buy a car and then it got shiped to the United States, but you had drive it a set number of miles or more in Germany, before you could bring it into the states.

I do not know about "strawman" in general, but if you do it with weapons, you can get in serious trouble.

Old Man Zues

 

[Way2Fast]

money and spends more than it gets anway...the gov't then increases its hiring for many more meaningless jobs, and soon you have over 50% of the population working for the gov't...who is left to tax??

The U.S. economy drives world economics...if the gov't takes everything over, that's the end of the 'American Dream'. .....we already have over 50% of the work force working at some government job....prison sytems, law enforcement, judical etc...soon it will be medical....but STILL who is left to tax? McDonalds employees?

Who is left to tax ?? Do you think that government employees don't pay taxes ?

 

[Way2Fast]

One of my best friends is a Canadian citizen. When he had kidney stones the US hospitals pushed him to the side because he didn't have a US health insurance policy. He went back home to Canada and received immediate treatment. He is not employed in in his home country and has been working here for years. Canadians do not have to be employed there to receive government health care. That said, I am happy with my current health insurance and do not want the US government to force a plan down my throat.

What really gets my goat is that hospitals and doctors charge the uninsured the highest price for health care. When the care is covered by an insurance policy they charge 50-70% LESS than they would charge the individual. Those with no insurance are the least able to pay for service, yet they are charged the most.

 

[Questions]

Who is left to tax ?? Do you think that government employees don't pay taxes ?

sure they pay....but you need industrial type jobs for balance....not every McDonalds type worker can work for the government....balance is everything

 

[Rub]

What does health care have to do with the price of a Spyder??? :dontknow:

I'm afraid this thread has spiralled in and is just a smoking wreck...nojoke

Rub