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Is there a way to get more punch off the line?

Rogue Hawk said:
Is there a way to improve the throttle response to get off the line faster?
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Yes...... two new software applications - however to the best of my knowledge neither produces more HP or Torque. One is the Pedal Commander and the other is ???? ..... Mike :thumbup:
 
I have the pedalbox, and it doesn't change anything bout Horsepower, it just opens the throttle valves waaaayy faster. It changes the machine completely, I do not scare easily, but sport++, made me change my undies...
Although I hardly change the settings, get it with the app, so you can change easily between modes, I for myself, find it an awesome upgrade.

It just works, be sure to read the manual, cause you have to match it with your machine, there are several tutorials on the net. If you need more info, just shout

Oops, saw to late, you own a Ryker, don't know if they have one for that particular machine... mine is an F3s
 
BLUEKNIGHT911 said:
One is the Pedal Commander
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I have the pedal box on my 2021 RTL and the pedal commander on my 2016 F3 Limited. They both are great eye openers for what these bikes can do off the line and added throttle response. I recently found out that they make one (pedal commander) for my 2017 mustang GT. I will be ordering it next month. Read very good reviews, similar to what I experienced from the spyder application.
 
blacklightning said:
I have the pedal box on my 2021 RTL and the pedal commander on my 2016 F3 Limited. They both are great eye openers for what these bikes can do off the line and added throttle response. I recently found out that they make one (pedal commander) for my 2017 mustang GT. I will be ordering it next month. Read very good reviews, similar to what I experienced from the spyder application.
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blacklightning Which do you prefer? Can you describe any differences between the box and commander? Thanks
 
Piratezz said:
I have the pedalbox, and it doesn't change anything bout Horsepower, it just opens the throttle valves waaaayy faster. It changes the machine completely, I do not scare easily, but sport++, made me change my undies...
Although I hardly change the settings, get it with the app, so you can change easily between modes, I for myself, find it an awesome upgrade.

It just works, be sure to read the manual, cause you have to match it with your machine, there are several tutorials on the net. If you need more info, just shout

Oops, saw to late, you own a Ryker, don't know if they have one for that particular machine... mine is an F3s
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I am not completely sure about this. From the research I've done. It appears that the stock setup has the throttle bodies closing from full open as you reach higher RPM. These throttle modifiers will keep the throttle bodies wide open at any speed. Theoretically, a wide open throttle body will give you more HP than one that is not. As long as the fuel injectors can keep up with demand. Which I assume they can since we've gotten no reports of running lean at high RPM with these devices.

How much HP increase is subject for debate. Probably not substantial. Still, an interesting hypothetical.
 
TCBoone said:
blacklightning Which do you prefer? Can you describe any differences between the box and commander? Thanks
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They are practically the same, and do the same thing. The pedal commander is on a bike that is about 100 pounds lighter and has the larger rear sprocket (2016 F3 Limited), so I would give it the edge off the line. The biggest difference that I see is that the pedal commander comes standard with being able to download the app and use it with your phone. In order to get that function on the pedal box, you have to go to the upgraded one. The pedal box has a slight and simple programming process to go through. It is very simple and anyone can do it. But the pedal commander is simply plug and play. I say get the one that is offered to you with the best deal. I had the commander first and was going to get it for the second bike. It was only $10 more than the pedal box. Both had free shipping, but the pedal commander dealer was charging tax. That increased the difference from $10 to $30. That made my decision for me. In short, I would give them both an "A", and say go with which ever is the cheapest, no difference in performance. Unless you are going to use the phone app, then go with the pedal commander.
 
Pedal Box Sport+(Level 3) and HANG ON! 2018 RTL takes off like a rocket, wife prefers City mode, I usually leave it in Sport (Level 3). YMMV
ST2 and stealth PB.jpg
 
What was your choice, pedalcommander or pedalbox, the only thing i see different is the pedalbox is waterproof, and the pedal box isn't, so needs a bit more care , mounting...wise
 
To get punch off the line, twist the twist grip wide open. If you’re already doing that, a Pedal Commander will buy you nothing – you need a tune.

The Pedal Commander increases (or decreases) the sensitivity of the twist grip, but does not improve throttle response.

Pedal Commander says, on their website:

“… throttle response is actually a measurement of the time taken for a change in power output”.

Look at the Pedal Commander drawing. Pedal Commander plugs in between the twist grip and the ECU. It alters the signal to the ECU. It does not change anything in the ECU. Pedal Commander provides a chart illustrating what Pedal Commander does to the twist grip signal. With Pedal Commander, to get 100% twist grip signal to the ECU, you must twist 100%. Same as without Pedal Commander. At 100% twist, you get 100% signal to the ECU in either case.

How do you get maximum power output from a Ryker? Open the throttle 100%. How do you get 100% throttle with Pedal Commander? Twist the grip 100%. How do you get 100% throttle without Pedal Commander? Twist the grip 100%. Same change in power output in the same amount of time in either case, therefore, same throttle response. By Pedal Commander’s own definition.

Look at Pedal Commander’s response chart in City mode. If you twist the grip 30%, Pedal Commander sends a 50% signal to the ECU. You get the same signal to the ECU as if you twisted the grip 50% without Pedal Commander. The throttle response in either case has to be the same, because the ECU has not been altered, the throttle body servo motor has not been altered, and the twist grip input to the ECU can be exactly duplicated in either case. By Pedal Commander’s own chart, the signal can be exactly duplicated by twisting the grip a bit more without Pedal Commander.

No question Pedal Commander changes twist grip sensitivity, but it does not and cannot charge throttle response.

I expect to get pushback from Pedal Commander owners on this. To them I simply ask, how does Pedal Commander, or any other similar device, improve throttle response without alteration to the ECU or other components? Not even Pedal Commander can explain this, because it does not happen. I spoke with a Pedal Commander representative about this.

To get more punch, you need a tune.

Pedal Commander connection.jpg

Pedal Commander graph.jpg
 
DickB said:
To get punch off the line, twist the twist grip wide open. If you’re already doing that, a Pedal Commander will buy you nothing – you need a tune.

The Pedal Commander increases (or decreases) the sensitivity of the twist grip, but does not improve throttle response.

Pedal Commander says, on their website:

“… throttle response is actually a measurement of the time taken for a change in power output”.

Look at the Pedal Commander drawing. Pedal Commander plugs in between the twist grip and the ECU. It alters the signal to the ECU. It does not change anything in the ECU. Pedal Commander provides a chart illustrating what Pedal Commander does to the twist grip signal. With Pedal Commander, to get 100% twist grip signal to the ECU, you must twist 100%. Same as without Pedal Commander. At 100% twist, you get 100% signal to the ECU in either case.

How do you get maximum power output from a Ryker? Open the throttle 100%. How do you get 100% throttle with Pedal Commander? Twist the grip 100%. How do you get 100% throttle without Pedal Commander? Twist the grip 100%. Same change in power output in the same amount of time in either case, therefore, same throttle response. By Pedal Commander’s own definition.

Look at Pedal Commander’s response chart in City mode. If you twist the grip 30%, Pedal Commander sends a 50% signal to the ECU. You get the same signal to the ECU as if you twisted the grip 50% without Pedal Commander. The throttle response in either case has to be the same, because the ECU has not been altered, the throttle body servo motor has not been altered, and the twist grip input to the ECU can be exactly duplicated in either case. By Pedal Commander’s own chart, the signal can be exactly duplicated by twisting the grip a bit more without Pedal Commander.

No question Pedal Commander changes twist grip sensitivity, but it does not and cannot charge throttle response.

I expect to get pushback from Pedal Commander owners on this. To them I simply ask, how does Pedal Commander, or any other similar device, improve throttle response without alteration to the ECU or other components? Not even Pedal Commander can explain this, because it does not happen. I spoke with a Pedal Commander representative about this.

To get more punch, you need a tune.

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:clap::clap::clap::agree: .... I've been saying the same thing ( in less words ) for years..... some folks get it and some ( actually many ) don't .... Thanks for your input .... Mike :thumbup:
 
its a pseudo dream....................mental mind says "wow, holy cow" i got more power, just a little twist and it goes faster. mental mind, says "wow, holy cow - i have to twist this grip all the way max to giddy-up-speed. its SLOW

i'll skip the petal box and just twist the grip all the way if i want MAX power and speed......WOOHOO!!!
 
Cannot argue with statistics, but with the pedalbox, the spyder, feels nippier, throttle response is faster, pedalbox does not claim an increase in Horsepower, just a faster throttlebody.
Simply no need to overtwist the throttle, wakes the machine up.

For me(and many), it works...
 
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