BryanSD
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Exactly. And perhaps where we can recharge when on the road.
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Interesting news out of BRP on electrification.
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Exactly. And perhaps where we can recharge when on the road.
I attend a monthly meeting at a local restaurant that supports EV charging stations. Been watching them for several months now. The location is becoming more and more popular as time goes by. Just imagine if you were on the road and had to wait 1 or 2 hours in line to get a full charge. Aaaaa not me.
ARtraveler
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I second, third, and fourth your comment about waiting in line. What are they thinking? I really don't believe they have their heads on straight over this one. Wait until "millions" are in line to charge their vehicles at the same time. Is this going to put an end to vacations more than 200 miles from home. Are we eventually going to need "papers" to travel from state to state? :roflblack: A joke for now, but time will tell.
billybovine
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I do not know the specs of the new electric Can Am motorcycles or future electric Spyders. But I can make some guesses on charge rates.
Level 1. 120V 15 amp AC wall outlet should charge at around 6 miles per hour.
Level 2. 240V 40 amp AC outlet should charge at 25 to 30 miles per hour.
Level 3. 480V DC charger should charge at 15 to 20 miles per minute. But only up to 80% charge. Charge rate will drop way off higher then 80%.
I repeat these are just guesses based on car rates and the Can Am products will have smaller batteries but travel farther per kwh. Also the onboard charger may not be able to handle Level 2 charging, do to charger size and weight.
Level 1. 120V 15 amp AC wall outlet should charge at around 6 miles per hour.
Level 2. 240V 40 amp AC outlet should charge at 25 to 30 miles per hour.
Level 3. 480V DC charger should charge at 15 to 20 miles per minute. But only up to 80% charge. Charge rate will drop way off higher then 80%.
I repeat these are just guesses based on car rates and the Can Am products will have smaller batteries but travel farther per kwh. Also the onboard charger may not be able to handle Level 2 charging, do to charger size and weight.
Glad to see someone else out there has a bit of insight into the future of this EV thing. Once everyone owns and operates an EV what do you think the cost will be to operate your home. Could power bills exceed your mortgage payment? Does anyone know how a non-gas-powered generator works? Just asking.
EdMat
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Sorry, you are not allowed to enter because your road use tax stamp for our state is out of date. :shocked:
And by the way, your vaccine passport needs updating. You need 17 boosters to be compliant with our state's inoculation requirements. :banghead::banghead:
RideOn
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Plug-in hybrid experience
In my family, we have owned 3 plug-in hybrids, but no full EVs. 2 Fords (C-Max and Fusion) and now a Chrysler Pacifica. That said, I lease these vehicles rather than buy them because the technology is forever shifting. Three years and it becomes someone else's problem.
The PHEV is good around home, where I can run most errands strictly on battery. Even so, I have no interest at all in car that is strictly EV like Tesla. At least with PHEV you have the gas engine to fall back on for longer trips or if the battery runs out sooner than expected.
There is no maintenance savings with a PHEV, because you still have to service the gas engine. On all 3 PHEVs, we have ended up getting oil changes done because of time (1 year, as per owner's manual) and not because of mileage. Although the electric drivetrain is warrantied for 100k miles, it will be hugely more expensive to replace the battery than to rebuild or even swap out the gas engine. The powertrain is also much more complex to accommodate the two drive systems, so I'd imagine overall the maintenance cost over the life of the vehicle will be higher than gas alone.
I do like the electric motor torque; it feels really strong starting off. Once you're up to speed, that advantage pretty much goes away. Start climbing hills and you'll be running on gas not battery very quickly. Another quirk is that the transmission in all three has been a CVT, and all have electric steering assist.
In a twist I didn't expect, running the heater runs down the battery much quicker than the AC. It appears to me the heater draws far more current, and from a colder battery as well. It does not get really cold where I live, with temps below 30 degrees a rare exception. It does get very hot, although that seems to have a lesser effect on battery capacity.
Hope that helps answer your question.
Bob
In my family, we have owned 3 plug-in hybrids, but no full EVs. 2 Fords (C-Max and Fusion) and now a Chrysler Pacifica. That said, I lease these vehicles rather than buy them because the technology is forever shifting. Three years and it becomes someone else's problem.
The PHEV is good around home, where I can run most errands strictly on battery. Even so, I have no interest at all in car that is strictly EV like Tesla. At least with PHEV you have the gas engine to fall back on for longer trips or if the battery runs out sooner than expected.
There is no maintenance savings with a PHEV, because you still have to service the gas engine. On all 3 PHEVs, we have ended up getting oil changes done because of time (1 year, as per owner's manual) and not because of mileage. Although the electric drivetrain is warrantied for 100k miles, it will be hugely more expensive to replace the battery than to rebuild or even swap out the gas engine. The powertrain is also much more complex to accommodate the two drive systems, so I'd imagine overall the maintenance cost over the life of the vehicle will be higher than gas alone.
I do like the electric motor torque; it feels really strong starting off. Once you're up to speed, that advantage pretty much goes away. Start climbing hills and you'll be running on gas not battery very quickly. Another quirk is that the transmission in all three has been a CVT, and all have electric steering assist.
In a twist I didn't expect, running the heater runs down the battery much quicker than the AC. It appears to me the heater draws far more current, and from a colder battery as well. It does not get really cold where I live, with temps below 30 degrees a rare exception. It does get very hot, although that seems to have a lesser effect on battery capacity.
Hope that helps answer your question.
Bob
bikerbillone
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We agree RideOn, I've owned a Prius, 2 of them, since 2003, both fine machines no complaints, none. It is a gas fueled/battery hybrid for those need to be acquainted.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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I think you guys are mostly missing the point. I don't believe EV advocates are pushing EV for cross country driving at all. Not even Tesla with their EV truck product is doing so. Your many comments back up that belief. But when you look at how many miles are driven in a day the vast, vast, majority are less than 100 miles per day. I didn't dig deep for a complete number but from the histogram in the linked article it looks like maybe as much as 95% or more of vehicle miles are less than 100 per day. That is the target for EV use. For cross country all but the most naive of EV advocates would have to admit that for cross country travel you will need to consider another form of travel, be it bus, train, plane, or ICE powered vehicles.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...onsinVMT.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2aizAS8xNfkf3gwdL-5bgY
In case you're wondering, I am not a die hard EV advocate. The long term availability of lithium concerns me. Hydrogen is the way to go. Too bad it's so costly yet.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...onsinVMT.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2aizAS8xNfkf3gwdL-5bgY
In case you're wondering, I am not a die hard EV advocate. The long term availability of lithium concerns me. Hydrogen is the way to go. Too bad it's so costly yet.
canamjhb
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The electricity to my home comes from a utility company that provides on-line usage information. I can track my usage hour by hour. From that I know just how much it costs to do a load of laundry, run the dishwasher, or charge my 36V golf cart. I typically run my golf cart 5-6 miles per day. At that usage, it costs me 15 cents to recharge. Or, about 3 cents per mile. BUT..... I am only moving a relatively small vehicle at a very slow speed (8-10 MPH)....... Jim
:clap: That's very interesting, would be nice to know what different appliances cost to operate.
Just a minute, "Say honey, Would you turn off your vibrator, your going to put us in the poor house!"
Might have to look into getting a meter to check out different things around the house.....:thumbup:....Bill
IdahoMtnSpyder
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Kill-A-Watt meter is what you want!
I own a Pacifica PHEV. I have come to the conclusion that the idea of EV's being for everyone for all situations is ludicrous. EV's are excellent for urban or suburban around town errands or going to and from work. But they are not the right tool for the job for rural settings, cold weather, or longer distance travel. The basis for the technology is just not correct for those uses anymore than an ICE would be the right power source for an iphone. The best solution is both and let the consumer decide what works best for them.
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FrogmanDave
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I can think of many. I can't wait to own one.
GaSpyderRyder
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In Europe where cities and towns are close together, an electric Spyder might be ideal, but here in the U.S. where cities and towns are further apart riding could be bad for some. Also, cold weather will sap the charge on a battery powered Spyder. You may have a full charge when you leave home for work in the morning, but what happens if the temperature drops significantly during the day. You start home and find your battery almost depleted and I doubt there will be any service trucks where you can do a quick charge. Personally, I love to hear the purr of my gas engine. I don't think an electric Spyder is something I would want.
bikerchris1270
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Maybe I could get one before I need an Electric Wheel Chair
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