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In your fourties..??..😲

Get a real job please and stop taking my tax money

​After paying the Max FICA for 42 years I deserve to get it all back plus some of yours! :doorag:
'Eat your heart out--I am enjoying all your tax money and deserve it before it all goes to one party's explosive Welfare program.

I am now paying 35% tax on my SS so it does not amount to much. Just about enough to change the oil on my yacht in the Med. twice a year. Such is life. :banghead:

​Jack
 
I agree 100%. The government is the worst at protecting my money. Gotta love the fact that $500k in a home safe makes one feel secure.

I work for the safe company that you purchased from. We just wanted to verify the combination on record so that you have a clear shot when needed and we have the correct number if you encounter an emergency. Please include your address to verify our records. This information will be kept in the strictest confidence. :joke:
 
​After paying the Max FICA for 42 years I deserve to get it all back plus some of yours! :doorag:
'Eat your heart out--I am enjoying all your tax money and deserve it before it all goes to one party's explosive Welfare program.

I am now paying 35% tax on my SS so it does not amount to much. Just about enough to change the oil on my yacht in the Med. twice a year. Such is life. :banghead:

​Jack

Jack,
It seems as if it was only a year ago, that you mentioned having to fire your Chauffeur, and drive the Bentley by yourself... :shocked:
 
Jack,
It seems as if it was only a year ago, that you mentioned having to fire your Chauffeur, and drive the Bentley by yourself... :shocked:

Lifes a bitch eh Bob. Next thing you know I will have to sell my Polish Arabian Ranch in the Hamptons! :D

Jack
 
Social security is a scam. Roosevelt enacted it in order for the government to have a system of free flowing cash to borrow from. If you paid into it and are currently drawing from it, good for you! I rather have someone getting something out of it other than the government. For this 43 year old, I'm not betting I will see a dime. They keep raising the age to be able to draw. I'll be 100 before I can collect. ;)
 
Time for a little tutorial about Social Security!

It's time to clear up some misunderstanding and misconceptions about Social Security.

Social Security was never intended to be, never has been, and probably never will be, a retirement investment program. It was established as the Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance program. The official title for collecting contributions is the Federal Insurance Contributions Act. Funds not needed to support current benefits and operating expenses go into the Old Age and Survivors Insurance trust fund to be held to meet future expenses not met by the then current contributions. Supplemental Security Insurance provides benefits for the disabled and underage poor children. SS originally included, and maybe still does, payments to states to support unemployment insurance benefits.

The key operative word is "insurance." All insurance plans are based on an "in and out" funding scheme. Current insurance policy holders, whether it is for life (death) insurance, fire insurance, car insurance, liability insurance, or whatever insurance you can think of, pay into the fund to cover the losses suffered by other insurance policy holders. Excess income is stashed away to cover excessive future losses, or paid to policy holders as dividends, or paid to management as bonuses, or some combination of all three.

Social Security has always operated this way, and always will. It is financially impossible at this point to suddenly start investing contributions to pay for future retirement benefits because current benefits have to be paid somehow.

The idea of SS being a retirement program has been allowed to exist because the concept of retirement benefits is politically a whole lot more palatable than is insurance. No one hates retirement benefits. Almost everyone hates insurance, especially when it is compulsory like car insurance. Insurance is seen mostly as money gone out the window. Payments into a retirement fund are viewed as belonging to the contributor.

I'm not sure why the hue and cry about the word "benefit." Benefit is used for all kinds of payments from all kinds of financial programs. The monthly SS check IS a benefit. Many people have the wrong idea of SS benefits being "earned income." If your house burns down the money the insurance company pays you is a benefit, but it is not "earned income." You have no claim on the money without meeting the two requirements for filing a claim, namely your house burned down, and you paid for the policy. In the same vein no one has a claim on a SS retirement benefit check until they have met two conditions, one having been a contributor into the insurance pool, and two, reaching the age set by the rules whereby that person is entitled (there's that nasty word!) to file a claim.

Because of all the natural disasters of the past few years casualty insurance funds are in a squeeze. Everyone who contributed into them may not receive a payout as large as they expected, or need, to be made fully whole. If measures are not taken, the same type of squeeze will affect the Social Security funding scheme.

As long as Uncle Sam is good for its debts all the money put into the SS trust fund will be there for benefits payout. Arguably, the fund might be healthier today if the money had been invested in instruments other than G bonds. As an aside, taking all the money that comes into SS and investing it into commercial markets may not be wise. The massiveness of the funds could easily distort investment markets. The Board of the Federal Thrift Savings program, the retirement fund of Federal employees, is concerned about this issue. It's a whole lot smaller than the SS fund would be.
 
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It's time to clear up some misunderstanding and misconceptions about Social Security.

Social Security was never intended to be, never has been, and probably never will be, a retirement investment program. It was established as the Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance program. The official title for collecting contributions is the Federal Insurance Contributions Act. Funds not needed to support current benefits and operating expenses go into the Old Age and Survivors Insurance trust fund to be held to meet future expenses not met by the then current contributions. Supplemental Security Insurance provides benefits for the disabled and underage poor children. SS originally included, and maybe still does, payments to states to support unemployment insurance benefits.

The key operative word is "insurance." All insurance plans are based on an "in and out" funding scheme. Current insurance policy holders, whether it is for life (death) insurance, fire insurance, car insurance, liability insurance, or whatever insurance you can think of, pay into the fund to cover the losses suffered by other insurance policy holders. Excess income is stashed away to cover excessive future losses, or paid to policy holders as dividends, or paid to management as bonuses, or some combination of all three.

Social Security has always operated this way, and always will. It is financially impossible at this point to suddenly start investing contributions to pay for future retirement benefits because current benefits have to be paid somehow.

The idea of SS being a retirement program has been allowed to exist because the concept of retirement benefits is politically a whole lot more palatable than is insurance. No one hates retirement benefits. Almost everyone hates insurance, especially when it is compulsory like car insurance. Insurance is seen mostly as money gone out the window. Payments into a retirement fund are viewed as belonging to the contributor.

I'm not sure why the hue and cry about the word "benefit." Benefit is used for all kinds of payments from all kinds of financial programs. The monthly SS check IS a benefit. Many people have the wrong idea of SS benefits being "earned income." If your house burns down the money the insurance company pays you is a benefit, but it is not "earned income." You have no claim on the money without meeting the two requirements for filing a claim, namely your house burned down, and you paid for the policy. In the same vein no one has a claim on a SS retirement benefit check until they have met two conditions, one having been a contributor into the insurance pool, and two, reaching the age set by the rules whereby that person is entitled (there's that nasty word!) to file a claim.

Because of all the natural disasters of the past few years casualty insurance funds are in a squeeze. Everyone who contributed into them may not receive a payout as large as they expected, or need, to be made fully whole. If measures are not taken, the same type of squeeze will affect the Social Security funding scheme.

As long as Uncle Sam is good for its debts all the money put into the SS trust fund will be there for benefits payout. Arguably, the fund might be healthier today if the money had been invested in instruments other than G bonds. As an aside, taking all the money that comes into SS and investing it into commercial markets may not be wise. The massiveness of the funds could easily distort investment markets. The Board of the Federal Thrift Savings program, the retirement fund of Federal employees, is concerned about this issue. It's a whole lot smaller than the SS fund would be.


That's way to much information! All I want to know is how much I get a month and will I live long enough

to get all that I put in back!
:joke:

Jack
 
Thanks! Keep working! I'm 62 and delaying Social Security since I'm not ready to retire yet. Keep in mind, Social Security is not an entitlement. The government has been taking my money since my first job in 1971 and they have been spending it just as fast. In other words, Social Security is a legal Ponzi scheme. Almost time to pay me back!:p

well said :agree:
Leon
 
SS

What did the govm't do with all the money that people who passed before they had a chance to collect (e.g. my late wife never collected a dime of hers)??
 
:banghead:
What did the govm't do with all the money that people who passed before they had a chance to collect (e.g. my late wife never collected a dime of hers)??



The same thing that happens to anyone to who works for an outfit that has a defined pension but does not meet the eligibility requirements for benefits.

I was a member of the United Mine Workers of America for a little over seven years. The time required to be vested in order to be eligible for benefits was ten years. Due to AMAX Coal Co. closing the mine I worked at in December 1983 I moved to Arizona for almost seven years rather than trying to get work in another UMWA represented coal mine.

Because I didn't work long enough at a UMWA represented mine, I fell short of one of the requirements to receive a monthly pension benefit. The money that was placed in the UMWA Retirement Funds was based on my period of work under the contract agreed to between the UMWA and the Bituminous Coal Operators Association. That money went into the "pool", or account, that pension benefits are paid from.

Because I cannot draw it, based on my lack of eligibility, that money is used to pay benefits to others who are eligible. Social Security works the same way. If for example, you don't work long enough or you die before receiving benefits, that money is in the account used to pay monthly benefits to current retirees.
 
What did the govm't do with all the money that people who passed before they had a chance to collect (e.g. my late wife never collected a dime of hers)??
The same thing any private company does with your Fire Insurance Premiums when your house never catches fire. Insurance is insurance is insurance... right?
 
They keep raising the age to be able to draw. I'll be 100 before I can collect. ;)
Not the case. The withdrawal age has been raised once, under Ronald Reagan in 1984. That change instituted the gradual rise in the age to get full unreduced benefit and will soon top out at 67 for those born in 1960 and later. So yes, the age has been rising but the law was changed only once. The age to start early withdrawals has always been, and remains, at 62.
 
...The age to start early withdrawals has always been, and remains, at 62.
I took mine at 62 but first I did a spreadsheet to analyze the effect of that choice. It showed my break-even point would happen while I was 77 years old. Now I'm gonna be 77 next month, but do I regret it? Nope, I enjoyed the early retirement, while I was still young and vigorous enough to exploit it! Yeah, I could have collected a little more, but the three-year delay just wasn't worth it for me.
 
​After paying the Max FICA for 42 years I deserve to get it all back plus some of yours! :doorag:
'Eat your heart out--I am enjoying all your tax money and deserve it before it all goes to one party's explosive Welfare program.

I am now paying 35% tax on my SS so it does not amount to much. Just about enough to change the oil on my yacht in the Med. twice a year. Such is life. :banghead:

​Jack


Hmmm, Yacht in Arizona? How often do you use that, lol? :roflblack:
 
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