How does the Hindle sound on an SE5?

[Tom in NM]

Odd Yes, . . . . .

I find it odd that no one mentions the catalitic converter that is required by law which is built into the stock muffler.

. . . . . Strange, No. You will find you are in a vocal minority or a very silent majority - we really don't know.

It seems people who like loud (HEAR ME COMING AND GET OUT OF THE WAY!) mufflers, talk about them a lot. Over and Over. And loudly too. And then talk about them more.

Then, there are a few of us that write that the stock is fine - and legal too. Since this precipitates the loud tube crew to come out and repeat (loudly) the charms and advantages of loud mufflers, those of us who like quiet efficiency move on to other threads.

So, by bringing this up, you are in a vocal minority. But, probably the vast majority of Spyders run with stock mufflers but wisely never engage in muffler talk - so that is the Silent Majority.

The second you mentioned "catalytic converter" (with out "-ectomy" after it), you were branded as "one of the quiet troublemakers".

Don't worry, you are in good company. (except for me)

Tom

 

[Questions]

. . . . . Strange, No. You will find you are in a vocal minority or a very silent majority - we really don't know.

It seems people who like loud (HEAR ME COMING AND GET OUT OF THE WAY!) mufflers, talk about them a lot. Over and Over. And loudly too. And then talk about them more.

Then, there are a few of us that write that the stock is fine - and legal too. Since this precipitates the loud tube crew to come out and repeat (loudly) the charms and advantages of loud mufflers, those of us who like quiet efficiency move on to other threads.

So, by bringing this up, you are in a vocal minority. But, probably the vast majority of Spyders run with stock mufflers but wisely never engage in muffler talk - so that is the Silent Majority.

The second you mentioned "catalytic converter" (with out "-ectomy" after it), you were branded as "one of the quiet troublemakers".

Don't worry, you are in good company. (except for me)

Tom

Guess I'm one of the "Silent Ones".

Until I retired last year I was a Home Theater designer and tech. My primary job for the last 20 years involved designing and testing custom speakers, writing audio reviews and performing final audio and video calibrations on completed home theaters. I counted on my hearing every day to make a living.

On all my street bikes I actually tried to find the quietest pipe that still performed. Heck I still put on ear protection to run my shop vac in the garage or use the leaf blower. At the same time I always added the highest performance (loudest) pipe to my dirt bikes when I raced. Guess I wanted to win enough to sacrifice my hearing. Go figure.

I actually agree that having the sound announce my presence when riding is a valid safety factor (just like bright color and good lighting). I just can't abide the ear fatigue of a loud pipe without feeling that it's gonna do some damage. I tried a Hindle because it didn't seem that loud on my initial test ride. But when I got it on my spyder it didn't take long to get annoyed.

So I guess that puts me on the quiet side of the fence.

 

[Blinc]

I have my Hindle on my red SE 5 since purchase. It sounds great..yes you can tell when u up shift and when you down shift just right you will get some backpressure and backfiring ...great
They do sound louder after time and really sound louder on a red SE 5..

That's the info I needed, thanks!

 

[NancysToy]

I actually agree that having the sound announce my presence when riding is a valid safety factor (just like bright color and good lighting).

Actually, studies have shown that loud pipes have no measurable safety effect. Bright, visible colors are the only thing shown to have a real effect on safety, other than good lighting. In fact the effect of daytime lighting has been diminished since it has become required and commonplace. I'm sure mentioning this will open a huge can of worms again, but we folks in the "silent majority" can take the flak. Let's see, where's that dead horse smiley?

 

[Blinc]

There are three sides of an arguement -- your side, my side and the right side.

I got the SE5 last night and she runs great, BUT, I will for sure be putting a manly-man exhaust on it :thumbup:

So, if anyone has a Hindle/Two brother type exhaust for sale, I'm a lookin!

 

[Tom in NM]

There are three sides of an arguement -- your side, my side and the right side.

I got the SE5 last night and she runs great, BUT, I will for sure be putting a manly-man exhaust on it :thumbup:

I agree, there are three sides to an argument, but it would probably be more accurate to put it as; "your side, the right side and my side".

Tom

 

[WackyDan]

Actually, studies have shown that loud pipes have no measurable safety effect. Bright, visible colors are the only thing shown to have a real effect on safety, other than good lighting. In fact the effect of daytime lighting has been diminished since it has become required and commonplace. I'm sure mentioning this will open a huge can of worms again, but we folks in the "silent majority" can take the flak. Let's see, where's that dead horse smiley?

Indeed... Loud pipes are great when you want people to hear you "going", but not so much "coming". I added two 35 watt halogen PIAA's that steer with the wheels while I was at the Smokies rally. I now have 6 forward facing lights. If they can't see me, they better hope they kill me as that is what will happen to them if I can get up after an accident not of my choosing.

As for the stock versus the Hindle.... Gatlinburg was the first time I was able to be around one, as well ride one. While the "local" sound of the stock pipe sounds fine to me, it does leave a lot to be desired to others listening from the road, yards, etc... I do want more of a hot rod sound without being too annoying about it. I think the Hindle fits the bill, though my wife may not agree or like it... and that is my dilemma.

For those at the rally that had the opportunity to ride behind Harvey, you probably heard the loudest pipes on any spyder. Sounds like a rocket, but even Harvey wears ear plugs when riding. :dontknow:

To each their own... But I'm probably going to get a Hindle just because I want my Spyder to sound like it has some real grunt behind it.

 

[Motza]

The Hindle sounds better on a red spyder!:roflblack:

:agree::spyder2::agree: I like my Hindle...however it seems to get a little louder as it gets older...I always wear ear plugs when I ride, and can still hear my cell phone ring when I come to an idle.

Wonder if there is a good exhaust out there that runs in between the BRP Stock and the Hindle. Anyone?

 

[Firefly]

My views on this:

1. Even with the stock pipe you should be wearing ear plugs while riding. The wind noise is just as dangerous (if not more) than your pipe noise.

2. The Rotax runs much better with more open airflow - like the Hindle.

3. They are now adding sound to electric cars because they are too quiet and people do not notice them - which is unsafe. This would lead me to believe that sound does play a part in being noticed.

4. I believe CA is the only state that requires the evap can and catalytic converter on the Spyder--- but I'm not positive on that.


I can personally tell you that I recently came around a corner and a deer in a field about 100 yards in front of me turned and looked because he heard my bike--- which I saw as a good thing.

I agree that the really loud pipes some HD guys run are really annoying - but I've yet to hear anything on a Spyder that comes even close to that.

 

[Tom in NM]

My views of your views

My views on this:

1. Even with the stock pipe you should be wearing ear plugs while riding. The wind noise is just as dangerous (if not more) than your pipe noise.
( The impact of multiple noise pollution sources is an additive effect, with certain frequencies being more harmful than others, with the results being cumulative and permanent. )

2. The Rotax runs much better with more open airflow - like the Hindle.
( Just saying "better" is a subjective opinion and generally misleading - like the statement; "With a husband like that, she is better off dead." In what ways is it better, how much better, what are the tradeoffs, and to what value, as it applies to noise pollution, would be more helpful. )


3. They are now adding sound to electric cars because they are too quiet and people do not notice them - which is unsafe. This would lead me to believe that sound does play a part in being noticed.
( The same thing applies to bicycles, roller-skates, wheelchairs, some skateboards, doors, people, cats and dogs - anything in motion, that is quiet and not in the field of vision, is unaccounted for by the human brain in a pedestrian mode and a candidate for collision. Vehicle noise is great in driveways, garages and parking lots for people on foot - it gives an additional sensory input clue to an objects motion. Once in a car [ well insulated and stereo going ] in those same places, those clues are greatly minimized. When in traffic, even more so. )

4. I believe CA is the only state that requires the evap can and catalytic converter on the Spyder--- but I'm not positive on that.
( That is a misleading statement. Like saying, "That crazy old man is always yelling about people dumping trash in that empty lot down the road." The more accurate points/positions could be; How many states or countries require catalytic converters on internal combustion engines/vehicles? For what reasons? To what effect? Why should the Spyder be exempt from those rules and conditions? )


I can personally tell you that I recently came around a corner and a deer in a field about 100 yards in front of me turned and looked because he heard my bike--- which I saw as a good thing.
(Generally, deer [even in Michigan] live in a less noise polluted environment than people. Personally, after camping for a few days far from civilization, an hiking back to a road - I am always amazed how far away I can hear cars and other traffic. Even where I live now, at night, I can hear motorcycles over a mile away. With my stock muffler, I have noticed that cows, sheep, goats and horses sometimes look up when I go by. A different type of sound and/or shape might be the better explanation [since my Spyder is pretty stock, I am sure they are not checking out the mods] But, in a lot of cases, sound is not a collision prevention feature. The number of deer and other animals hit by cars, trucks, trains and planes is very high. Of course, we don't know how many animal collisions were avoid because of noise, we only have the proof of when it failed, but that is a lot of proof of failure.)

I agree that the really loud pipes some HD guys run are really annoying - but I've yet to hear anything on a Spyder that comes even close to that.
(Yes, I am annoyed by some mufflers too. I have not been around many Spyders, but in general, they do seem to be quieter to me. But, those are our personal perceptions and our 'annoyance scales'. It is like saying, "Well, my neighbor on my left is much nicer than the one on the right - he only threw 2 beer bottles into my yard, while the other threw at least a dozen.")

We are conditioned from early on to connect sound with power and strength. A lot of us are also conditioned to buy products specifically engineered to deliver these qualities. It is a failing we all have from one extent to another. Motorcycles are especially susceptible to this escalating cycle. There have been well engineered motorcycles ( and other vehicles ) that have failed because they didn't sound like motorcycles. It is the difference between a sailboat and an inboard racing speedboat. In the case of noise, it also turns out to be harmful to us.

To me, this discussion or argument always comes down to one of freedom and consideration, the freedom to sound how you want to sound, even if it is catering to a commercial ideal -versus- consideration of other peoples right of "peace and quiet" and health. It is not considerate to drive loud vehicle(s) though a neighborhood especially late at night or early in the morning. Does anyone have the right to disturb people indiscriminately to just be "macho" or show their power? From the people who undergo this assault, there is the very real perception that the offender just does not care or even means to disturb them in an aggressive way - an analogy would be the person that loudly passes gas on a crowded elevator and smiles at everyone else's discomfort.

I like the looks of the Hindle and the idea of it being ceramic coated and lighter, but after hearing one on a Spyder, I contacted Hindle and asked if the "Spyder Silencer" could be made street legal and quieter. The answer was, "No." But, neither would they provided any performance specifications or testing results. I don't know if this was "Won't" or "Can't", but it was enough for me to pass.

While using it is rationalized in many ways, the Hindle ( for one ) only delivers 4 more HP, "is not street legal", and "is intended for closed-course racing applications only. Can-Am Spyder roadsters modified with the performance silencer are prohibited from usage on public roads, and can only be operated in closed-course competitions. Use of this component outside of closed-course competition events constitutes tampering under the US EPA and California Air Resource Board regulations and can lead to substantial fines and penalties."

It cannot be any clearer than that.

Tom

 

[NancysToy]

I don't want to get caught in the argument about loud pipes, and their advantages or disadvantages. I used to be an offender, saying "There are two things that shouldn't hum...hotrods and motorcycles!" Somewhere along the way I changed. I think it may have been from my discovery that touring in the quiet of my BMW was more restful and relaxing to me than fighting the continual drone of the pipes...with or without earplugs.

All arguments aside, the facts are that we are all in danger of losing our rights as motorcyclists if, as a group, we continue to put loud pipes on bikes and rev our engines or roar away from the stop signs to get our grins. Some states and communities have already passed, or have tried to pass laws or ordinances which set absurdly low decibel limits, require EPA labeled mufflers, require factory stock mufflers, or ban motorcycles from certain localities. Automobiles suffer no such restriction, even if they have stereos that would wake the dead. These infringements on our rights are being caused by motorcycles that make too much noise...plain fact. The only answer is to tone it down before all our rights to ride are restricted. It is up to us to swallow our pride and police ourselves!

As some of you know, I have an extensive vintage motorcycle collection. A law against anything but factory stock pipes would send many of these to the scrap heap. That would be sad! I also enjoy breathing clean air. EPA approaches to emissions reduction may be flawed, but they have worked better than anything done in the past. Is it right, then, to remove our catalytic converters just to please our ears? We have some hard choices to make, my friends. If we don't compromise our aesthetic pleasures, we may not have any pleasures at all some day. (end of rant)

 

[Firefly]

Well--- if a deer notices the stock pipe--- then he'll notice my Hindle sooner---- makes sense for me. :2thumbs:

Every non-stock pipe on the market has those CYA warnings. If you've been around bikes at all - a very high % are aftermarket--- especially in the HD world.

As far as what states and countries require what---- I suggest anyone concerned about it check into it. I personally don't care what the regulations are----I'm going to run my Hindle and NOT run the evap can. I can quickly change back to stock should I ever need to be inspected---which they don't do in my area.

Running better is pretty self explanatory to me. 4 HP extra is the technical proof some may require. The throttle is more responsive, the engine runs cooler. Don't knock it till you've tried it.

To each his own--- but I'm sticking with the Hindle---- I even like the idea that someone had of running dual Hindle's --- one on each side--- guess you would call them 'Twindle's'.

As I stated in my post--- those were my opinions -- take em or leave em.

 

[Firefly]

I don't want to get caught in the argument about loud pipes, and their advantages or disadvantages. I used to be an offender, saying "There are two things that shouldn't hum...hotrods and motorcycles!" Somewhere along the way I changed. I think it may have been from my discovery that touring in the quiet of my BMW was more restful and relaxing to me than fighting the continual drone of the pipes...with or without earplugs.

All arguments aside, the facts are that we are all in danger of losing our rights as motorcyclists if, as a group, we continue to put loud pipes on bikes and rev our engines or roar away from the stop signs to get our grins. Some states and communities have already passed, or have tried to pass laws or ordinances which set absurdly low decibel limits, require EPA labeled mufflers, require factory stock mufflers, or ban motorcycles from certain localities. Automobiles suffer no such restriction, even if they have stereos that would wake the dead. These infringements on our rights are being caused by motorcycles that make too much noise...plain fact. The only answer is to tone it down before all our rights to ride are restricted. It is up to us to swallow our pride and police ourselves!

As some of you know, I have an extensive vintage motorcycle collection. A law against anything but factory stock pipes would send many of these to the scrap heap. That would be sad! I also enjoy breathing clean air. EPA approaches to emissions reduction may be flawed, but they have worked better than anything done in the past. Is it right, then, to remove our catalytic converters just to please our ears? We have some hard choices to make, my friends. If we don't compromise our aesthetic pleasures, we may not have any pleasures at all some day. (end of rant)

In general I agree with you--- I just don't think the Hindle is loud enough to be of concern--- it's really pretty tame by comparison. Most cities have ordinances about noise--- and if the Hindle is in excess of what the law allows-- then by all means write me a ticket. I seriously doubt the Hindle is in excess of what most sound ordinances allow.

 

[Motza]

Can you Hindle this?

Is there a pipe out there that is an in between stock and Hindle?

 

[ataDude]

Is there a pipe out there that is an in between stock and Hindle?

Maybe a Supertrapp with about three disks. See my thread below.

.

 

[Tom in NM]

I have seen that future . . .

In general I agree with you--- I just don't think the Hindle is loud enough to be of concern--- it's really pretty tame by comparison. Most cities have ordinances about noise--- and if the Hindle is in excess of what the law allows-- then by all means write me a ticket. I seriously doubt the Hindle is in excess of what most sound ordinances allow.

Firefly, I would not presume to try and change your opinions or feelings, that is entirely up to you. I was just questioning your logic and arguments.

I agree with Scotty, if we don't manage ourselves, we and those who come after us, will not have the freedoms we have. I have seen it.

Imagine my shock when I moved into a development in Houston and received a fine and a lien on my house, 5 minutes after my motorcycle rolled off the moving van. No Motorcycles allowed in the community. PERIOD. Not ridden, housed, stored, garaged, pushed, trailered - NO motorcycles.

There are ordinances, but they are not usually enforced. But once they are in a place, it won't matter if you are one Db over the limit - you will pay - and it will get worse. Take a look at smokers - I think it was two years ago, that the city of Santa Fe was trying to pass a law/ordinance to ticket smokers - in cars. It didn't pass, but they are still trying. It only needs to pass once.

Once the tide starts, it won't stop. I live in a pretty rural area, but they are talking about taking some steps to get rid of loud trucks, cars, ATVs and motorcycles. I honestly have no good arguments against that.

Tom

 

[3wheeldemon]

"If loud pipes get outlawed, only outlaws will have loud pipes" ... :gaah: doesn't work

"Loud pipes don't bother people, people bothers people" :gaah:doesn't work either ...


Don't worry guys, I will keep working and eventually will get the right motto of our future National Loud Pipe Association

3WD

 

[effgjamis]

Now that I have returned from TN... Off the Leo Vence and ON the Stock.
As to the Harvey Sound...... What did you say?? couldn't hear you.. :roflblack:
All you have to do is wear ear plug, or use MUSZ ear speakers and listen to your MP3's or whatever you have.hyea:

 

[Firefly]

Firefly, I would not presume to try and change your opinions or feelings, that is entirely up to you. I was just questioning your logic and arguments.

I agree with Scotty, if we don't manage ourselves, we and those who come after us, will not have the freedoms we have. I have seen it.

Imagine my shock when I moved into a development in Houston and received a fine and a lien on my house, 5 minutes after my motorcycle rolled off the moving van. No Motorcycles allowed in the community. PERIOD. Not ridden, housed, stored, garaged, pushed, trailered - NO motorcycles.

There are ordinances, but they are not usually enforced. But once they are in a place, it won't matter if you are one Db over the limit - you will pay - and it will get worse. Take a look at smokers - I think it was two years ago, that the city of Santa Fe was trying to pass a law/ordinance to ticket smokers - in cars. It didn't pass, but they are still trying. It only needs to pass once.

Once the tide starts, it won't stop. I live in a pretty rural area, but they are talking about taking some steps to get rid of loud trucks, cars, ATVs and motorcycles. I honestly have no good arguments against that.

Tom

Interesting that on one hand you're upset that your neighborhood had rules that won't allow you to have a motorcycle - yet on the other hand you have no arguments against future ordinances to get rid of loud trucks, cars, ATV's and MC's. :dontknow:

The Hindle can hardly be compared to the loud HD bikes. When I ride in neighborhoods like when I visit my mom - I keep the throttle low out of respect and have never even had a turned head from the noise.

I will continue to enjoy the freedom to have my Hindle - thank you very much.

 

[3wheeldemon]

... When I ride in neighborhoods like when I visit my mom - I keep the throttle low out of respect and have never even had a turned head from the noise...

Badass! I never dared telling my mom I had a motorcycle!

3WD