Having a problem getting registered in California.

[Mike0123]

Wow, this is just crazy. Hope it all works out.
One thought I have is that iMoto might have made a mistake, but they are on the hook because the bike isn’t certified for “sale” in California. I think that the point of not being able to register it is moot after that...they shouldn’t have even sold it to you.
IANAL, but thats what I see......

 

[BertRemington]

Yes that is the pre-canister filter. The evaporative canister is located further to the right where those two hoses are headed.

You have a CARB-compliant 50-state vehicle. Just a bit ahead of the CARB approval process as RideOn's research discovered.

I checked Cycle Trader to see if 2021 RT-Ls are being sold new by CA dealers. Two places, San Diego and Elk Grove. So this situation should be resolved soon.

I was wrong about IMotorsports. They are aggressively intervening on your behalf with Can-Am (BRP). I'm impressed.

EDIT: I disagree with IMotorsports will have to take your Spyder back. The resolution is an updated emissions label. Tomorrow I'll try to ride over to Fun Bike (on the MG the RT-S is getting its maintenance baseline) and get a picture of the emissions label.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Yes that is the pre-canister filter. The evaporative canister is located further to the right where those two hoses are headed.

You have a CARB-compliant 50-state vehicle. Just a bit ahead of the CARB approval process as RideOn's research discovered.

I checked Cycle Trader to see if 2021 RT-Ls are being sold new by CA dealers. Two places, San Diego and Elk Grove. So this situation should be resolved soon.

I was wrong about IMotorsports. They are aggressively intervening on your behalf with Can-Am (BRP). I'm impressed.

EDIT: I disagree with IMotorsports will have to take your Spyder back. The resolution is an updated emissions label. Tomorrow I'll try to ride over to Fun Bike (on the MG the RT-S is getting its maintenance baseline) and get a picture of the emissions label.

I have serious doubts that an " emissions label " could LEGALLY be applied by anyone other than BRP or Calif. DMV .....jmho ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[jaherbst]

They sent a temp tag so you can ride the bike while they work this out. In the end they will have to put a 50 state bike on the truck and send it to you and pick that one up to sell as used. IMS is going to take a pretty good hit on this with loss of value in the used bike and round trip shipping. They will very likely not be able to apply a new decal to the bike.

I agree, This is something that I Motorsports should have caught for a sale to CA. All dealers were notified about this delay and accepted these Spyder's knowingly. It was probably an early production and BRP had not received Executive Order on the CARB.

This is done for specific years each and every year. S0--They shipped early with a specific exemption for CA. Only BRP can Physically and legally change that sticker.

Jack

 

[Supercrawler]

I see Jack.
That explained,
Around Nov of 2020 I called Cali dealers lookin for 2021 model no dealer has it they said it will be available sometime in Feb 2021.

 

[RideOn]

I guess I don't understand why you bought the Spyder out of state. There are lots of reputable dealers all across the state. You know if you buy from one of them they would have registered it for you. Instead you are dealing with a dealer that apparently does not know the laws out here, or they made a huge (to you) mistake. We have purchased 3 Spyders in California with no issues. Just wondering what motivated you to roll the dice?

For me, there were two specific reasons why I bought from iMoto:

1. At the time, there was a sizable rebate from BRP on 2019 RTLs, and no California dealer near me had what I wanted.

2. They offered me a better price for my trade than any nearby dealer I contacted. (BTW, the trade-in only lasted a few days at iMoto according to their website.)

Was it entirely painless? No, but the only real aggravation was dealing with DMV and paying the additional taxes and fees to CA. The entire transaction was done by phone and email - which does admittedly take something of a leap of faith. The new Spyder was rolled off the trailer and my trade-in rolled on about two weeks after the sale was finalized.

I was able to have the new Spyder inspected, titled and registered in one afternoon with the documents from iMotorsports and my checkbook. And it saved me over $6k to buy from iMoto and do my own title and registration.

 

[Supercrawler]

Just got through talking with financial manager Jason at Imotorsport.
They are in process of swapping the vehicle, just need more time.
He added the BRP produced 2 models if the last 10 digit is start with #2 its 50 states complied if its start with #4 except California.(which is mine)
Imotorsport just received 130 spyders with #4 when they found out they are about return all to Can Am.

 

[MRH]

Just got through talking with financial manager Jason at Imotorsport.
They are in process of swapping the vehicle, just need more time.
He added the BRP produced 2 models if the last 10 digit is start with #2 its 50 states complied if its start with #4 except California.(which is mine)
Imotorsport just received 130 spyders with #4 when they found out they are about return all to Can Am.

So glad to hear that they are making this right. A great reason to do business with them!

 

[Peteoz]

I have serious doubts that an " emissions label " could LEGALLY be applied by anyone other than BRP or Calif. DMV .....jmho ..... Mike :thumbup:

Hahaha... looks like you were proved right and BertRemington was wrong, Mike ��.

Pete

 

[Supercrawler]

Nothing has happened yet,,
Just have to wait.
There's things has to remove if they swap'
Baja Ron sway bar, pedal commander, belt tensioner, f3 handle bar, passenger armrest, fog light, two brothers muffler, and so on,,,,

 

[canamjhb]

Been following this with interest. Glad to see iMotorsport doing the right thing (as I expected they would). What a mess. And the cause? Not to get politics involved, but...... Jim

 

[The500thDaytona]

That's incredible SMH. Ironically the first state I ever tried a can am in was California through Turo cause it's one of the only states where you can ride one without a motorcycle license. It gave me the bug instantly and when I returned home to the east coast I went straight to the MSF course. I did notice that the F3 I rented had Wisconsin plates though

 

[BertRemington]

I am absolutely stunned by this turn of events. Can-Am produced two 2021 Spyder variants, both of which have the evaporative canister but only one of which is CARB-compliant. And I'm not the only one that is stunned. Here's the money quote "Imotorsport just received 130 spyders with #4 when they found out they are about return all to Can Am." Assuming a dealer price of $20K you do the math.

So Petoz I was wrong. Not only was I wrong but I was conceited about it two days ago "I agree with IGETAROUND and others that Can-Am doesn't make 49-state-only models. But I could be wrong -- it happens sometimes." Thanks for the reminder -- I need them occasionally.

And Supercrawler's situation is a disaster. Not only has he lost the joy of a new Spyder tailored exactly as he always wanted but it all has to be rolled back as labor or parts or both. Accessories only return your investment if you get to enjoy them. And I doubt a BajaRon odometer solution is feasible with the Spyder's "nanny" VSS. Plus he has to explain all this to his bank, etc. My sympathies and I hope he's on the road in time for a CA Spring.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Can-Am produced two 2021 Spyder variants, both of which have the evaporative canister but only one of which is CARB-compliant.......

So Petoz I was wrong. Not only was I wrong but I was conceited about it two days ago "I agree with IGETAROUND and others that Can-Am doesn't make 49-state-only models.

No, I don't think that is really the case. The responsibility (blame?) I think rests on California, primarily. Remember the discussion about early and late MY production awhile back? Spyders produced in May, or whatever the time frame is, are labeled early models. Quite possibly, the emissions info on those models was not reviewed and certified by CARB before BRP was ready to put them into the market pipeline. Maybe, and this is just my speculation, since the early 2021s were essentially the same as the 2020s BRP thought the 2020 CARB cert would cover them. And maybe that's what has happened in the past. Who knows, maybe there is a new 'strictly by the rules' head of CARB who kiboshed that old practice. One thing we know for sure, BRP nor CARB will ever clear up the mystery for us.

As I see it it's not a matter of BRP building separate 49 state and CA state models, but a problem of getting a CARB cert in a timely fashion. Without the EO in hand BRP could not push the Spyders out the door as CARB certified, even though the CARB cert causes no changes whatever to the physical machine. The fact that the first digit of the VIN is different between the CARB and non-CARB may be more of a record keeping action and a way to prevent non-CARB machines from having their manufacturing info massaged to make them look like CARB machines.

I think in this case the only difference between CARB and non-CARB machines is the label that is allowed to be affixed to them, and the first digit of the VIN.

 

[ndspyderlover]

The key thing here is that according to iMoto, this is the "first" instance of any problems with selling bikes to customers in the state of CA.

Give them a break to get the problem solved, which they said they would. If it is CA's fault for not having the right certificates for the manufacturers or sellers, that is just another strike for the state.

I have successfully purchased two Spyders from iMoto in the last year. All the paperwork was flawless and registration went just fine. Went to DMV yesterday and got my HC plate updated to the new 2020.

There are at least two dealers within 100 miles of me, one would not deal a dime on the 2019. It was take it or leave it. I left it. And I talked to the "owner" about it. Have not been back since. The other dealer would not return phone calls. Their loss, I guess.

I also like the fact that iMoto accepted my trade, no hassle, picked it up, and delivered the new Spyders to my back yard as ordered, etc. Would definately use them if there is another Spyder in my future.

I also bought a new Spyder from imotor and it was a pleasant experience. will buy their again.

 

[ndspyderlover]

I guess I don't understand why you bought the Spyder out of state. There are lots of reputable dealers all across the state. You know if you buy from one of them they would have registered it for you. Instead you are dealing with a dealer that apparently does not know the laws out here, or they made a huge (to you) mistake. We have purchased 3 Spyders in California with no issues. Just wondering what motivated you to roll the dice?

I think he bought out of state for the same reason i did. it was all about the trade. my local dealer did'nt want my trade.

 

[canamjhb]

No, I don't think that is really the case. The responsibility (blame?) I think rests on California, primarily. Remember the discussion about early and late MY production awhile back? Spyders produced in May, or whatever the time frame is, are labeled early models. Quite possibly, the emissions info on those models was not reviewed and certified by CARB before BRP was ready to put them into the market pipeline. Maybe, and this is just my speculation, since the early 2021s were essentially the same as the 2020s BRP thought the 2020 CARB cert would cover them. And maybe that's what has happened in the past. Who knows, maybe there is a new 'strictly by the rules' head of CARB who kiboshed that old practice. One thing we know for sure, BRP nor CARB will ever clear up the mystery for us.

As I see it it's not a matter of BRP building separate 49 state and CA state models, but a problem of getting a CARB cert in a timely fashion. Without the EO in hand BRP could not push the Spyders out the door as CARB certified, even though the CARB cert causes no changes whatever to the physical machine. The fact that the first digit of the VIN is different between the CARB and non-CARB may be more of a record keeping action and a way to prevent non-CARB machines from having their manufacturing info massaged to make them look like CARB machines.

I think in this case the only difference between CARB and non-CARB machines is the label that is allowed to be affixed to them, and the first digit of the VIN.

I couldn't agree with you more. (See my post #71). I believe the problem is the state of California and has nothing to do with the machine itself. I believe it's the label and unusual bureaucratic process, not the configuration of the bike..... Jim

 

[jaherbst]

Just got through talking with financial manager Jason at Imotorsport.
They are in process of swapping the vehicle, just need more time.
He added the BRP produced 2 models if the last 10 digit is start with #2 its 50 states complied if its start with #4 except California.(which is mine)
Imotorsport just received 130 spyders with #4 when they found out they are about return all to Can Am.

Order for the CARB each and every year for each model is mind boggling. CA delayed this and BRP got anxious to ship so shipped with exception to these early models. That being said I Motorsports should have received a "warning bulletin" specific to this shipment. BRP knows full well they ship to all lower 48 states including CA

I know this is aggravating and will take time but some one simply was not doing their job or this would not have happened. I am sure I Motorsports will make good on this as they have no other choice. I do hope for your sake they expedite it.

I tried to deal with them several weeks ago on a 2020 or 2021 RTL. I made inquiries and received some Private Messages about I Motorsports with mixed responses. One buyer who lives 50 miles south of me was shipped the wrong color. IM did make it good after some delay. Others were not pleased and some had very positive transactions.

As some one above pointed out it is a "leap of faith" to purchase several thousand miles away with promises of correct paper work, color and delivery in a reasonable time. Most of this is dependent on how responsible the person or persons you are dealing with. As you know some are and some could care less and simply want the commission and a quick deposit in their Bank Account.

Also each state as you have found out has different criteria for their registration and tax not to mention emissions.

Jack

 

[jaherbst]

I also bought a new Spyder from imotor and it was a pleasant experience. will buy their again.

Yes but you are not from "Cali" and their way of doing business and "saving the Planet".

Jack

 

[MRH]

Yes but you are not from "Cali" and their way of doing business and "saving the Planet".

Jack

I've lived in Los Angeles since I grew up, and there is no question that emissions controls made a huge difference in the quality of life here. When I was growing up, there were constant "smog days" and the view was often simply brown. It's not like that anymore, and I like to be able to ride in the clean air of our nearby forests and canyons. It would make more sense if every state kept their emissions as controlled as possible.