Having a problem getting registered in California.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Is it possible that is an early production model manufactured before BRP had obtained the CARB certification? Maybe BRP was having trouble getting CARD cert on a timely basis because of Covid-19 hangups. Even if the engine, fuel, and emissions systems were identical to certified 2020 models CARB probably still requires a new cert for the new model year.

 

[MRH]

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I will call IMotorsports today.
I did not mentioned that i want 50 states model but they know i purchased from cali.

I can't imagine that it would be your responsibility to ask for a Spyder that can be registered legally in the state in which is being delivered to, where they know you reside, AND WHERE THEY CHARGED YOU SALES TAX FOR (correct me if I'm wrong on that).

They blew it, plain and simple. An honest mistake, no doubt, but still their RESPONSIBILITY to make right.

 

[BertRemington]

Supercrawler -- you're wasting your time calling IMotorsport. They've got your money, they're 1,500 miles away, and they know you're never coming back. Game over for them.

What you need to do is get your VIN and contact Can-Am about California emissions compliance. I agree with IGETAROUND and others that Can-Am doesn't make 49-state-only models. But I could be wrong -- it happens sometimes.

Your emissions label looks damaged. Did you buy a new vehicle? What was the mileage? Was it a demonstrator? Was it bought at auction?

If you bought a used Spyder and Can-Am does make 49-state-only models then you gotta wait 10 years before you can move your Spyder out of your garage (or you can drive it 7,500 miles unregistered and uninsured).

Lastly, while you are investigating emissions labels, remove the LH bodywork under the seat and see if there is a small rectangular box with two Philips screws on its cover and a rubber hose pointing downwards. If you have that then you're on the way to CA emissions compliance. If you don't then you've just made a $5K mistake. How do I know? BTDT.

 

[MRH]

Supercrawler -- you're wasting your time calling IMotorsport. They've got your money, they're 1,500 miles away, and they know you're never coming back. Game over for them.

I have to disagree. iMotorsports does a LOT of business off of this site, and most people who have dealt with them seem to have very good stories. I can't say for certain how they will handle this, but it is the easiest and best path to pursue first. If that fails, or they drag their feet, then they deserve to have this become a very public issue.

On the other hand, if they step up, they also deserve the good conversation this has the potential to generate for them on our site. Let's give them to the end of the week to solve the error. As a business owner, I've had to deal with clients who complain to the internet before even trying to solve a problem with us, and it isn't fair or right. We all make mistakes, and they deserve the chance to fix it.

Now, if they were the ones who put you in this position (BTDT - been there done that, as you said), then I can easily understand your post.

 

[Supercrawler]

Supercrawler -- you're wasting your time calling IMotorsport. They've got your money, they're 1,500 miles away, and they know you're never coming back. Game over for them.

What you need to do is get your VIN and contact Can-Am about California emissions compliance. I agree with IGETAROUND and others that Can-Am doesn't make 49-state-only models. But I could be wrong -- it happens sometimes.

Your emissions label looks damaged. Did you buy a new vehicle? What was the mileage? Was it a demonstrator? Was it bought at auction?

If you bought a used Spyder and Can-Am does make 49-state-only models then you gotta wait 10 years before you can move your Spyder out of your garage (or you can drive it 7,500 miles unregistered and uninsured).

Lastly, while you are investigating emissions labels, remove the LH bodywork under the seat and see if there is a small rectangular box with two Philips screws on its cover and a rubber hose pointing downwards. If you have that then you're on the way to CA emissions compliance. If you don't then you've just made a $5K mistake. How do I know? BTDT.

Thanks for you advised(?)
I bought it new, it has only 10 miles.
Appear to be the emission label has never been tempered.
I will look into under the seat rectangular box that you mention about.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Thanks for you advised(?)
I bought it new, it has only 10 miles.
Appear to be the emission label has never been tempered.
I will look into under the seat rectangular box that you mention about.

Just a thought here ...... why don't you go to a Can-Am dealership and take a pic of the sticker / s on a Spyder they have for sale ..... then compare it to what you have on yours ..... good luck .... Mike :thumbup:

 

[Supercrawler]

That's good idea,
I will do that tomorrow.
As for the motorsport will give some times since they called me that they`'ll
Work with the BRP to solved this problem.

 

[BertRemington]

MRH -- I know nothing about iMotorsport except what is on their website. My BTDT experience was for a privately sold 2011 Royal Enfield. Actually not my most expensive motor vehicle mistake. That would be the 2001 Acura Integra Type R stolen from in front of my house three weeks after I purchased it. Trying to recover it taught me a lot about Acura Integra owners, very little was flattering. Let's just say most have a different attitude toward private ownership that members of this forum.

The essence of my argument remains: iMotorsport can't solve this CA emission label problem -- only Can-Am (BRP) can. If this Spyder is an 49-state model for whatever reason, only Cam-Am can provide a CA emissions label and corrected VIN information. And they can't if the evaporative canister with the pre-filter I cited above doesn't exist.

Apparently iMotorsport acquired and sold the Spyder in good faith. And apparently Supercrawler bought it in good faith assuming Can-Am only produced 50-state Spyders. But in the end the resolution is between Can-Am and Supercrawler. And if the evaporative canister (photograph is pre-filter, the hose leads to the canister) is in place I'm positive Can-Am will provide the necessary CA emission label.

 

[RideOn]

Some info that may help

That's good idea,
I will do that tomorrow.
As for the motorsport will give some times since they called me that they`'ll
Work with the BRP to solved this problem.

Supercrawler, I've tried to do a bit of research to help. I bought a new 2019 RT Limited from iMotorsports last June, and I received a Spyder with a label saying it met both federal and CA emissions (i.e. a 50-state model). I had no trouble getting it titled and registered in CA.

But on the CA Air Resources Board website, I found what is called an "Executive Order" stating that BRP has certified 2021 Rykers, both 600 and 900cc versions. There is an Executive Order for 2020 Spyders with the 1330, and there is one for 2019 models with the 1330 like mine. I printed out that EO and took it to DMV when I went to register, but they never looked at anything other than the label under the seat, the stamped VIN and the engine number.

I could not find an EO for the 2021 Spyders. I would assume from that BRP has not yet received certification from CARB, but that is speculation on my part. I did find a few links that might help you out:
List of CARB EO issued: https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/cert.php
A contact for someone who may be able to assist is on this page: https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/new-vehicle-and-engine-programs-branch-issued-executive-orders
The name to contact for on-road motorcycles (code HMC) is Duc Nguyen at (626) 575-6844

I've also linked a page from DMV on registering motorcycles: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/new-registration/register-a-motorcycle/
The only thing I can find says it must have an emissions label that states it is CA compliant.

Hope this helps and good luck with getting things resolved,
Bob

 

[Pirate looks at --]

I guess I don't understand why you bought the Spyder out of state. There are lots of reputable dealers all across the state. You know if you buy from one of them they would have registered it for you. Instead you are dealing with a dealer that apparently does not know the laws out here, or they made a huge (to you) mistake. We have purchased 3 Spyders in California with no issues. Just wondering what motivated you to roll the dice?

 

[BajaRon]

I guess I don't understand why you bought the Spyder out of state. There are lots of reputable dealers all across the state. You know if you buy from one of them they would have registered it for you. Instead you are dealing with a dealer that apparently does not know the laws out here, or they made a huge (to you) mistake. We have purchased 3 Spyders in California with no issues. Just wondering what motivated you to roll the dice?

I would say price is the motivation. If cost is not an issue. Anything can be done. I would also say that this is a very rare situation. A vendor isn't going to last if these kinds of issues are not extremely rare. Someone dropped the ball somewhere. But I'd say this vendor will make it right. Too bad that someone is going to have to bite an unknown size bullet on this one.

 

[jaherbst]

I guess I don't understand why you bought the Spyder out of state. There are lots of reputable dealers all across the state. You know if you buy from one of them they would have registered it for you. Instead you are dealing with a dealer that apparently does not know the laws out here, or they made a huge (to you) mistake. We have purchased 3 Spyders in California with no issues. Just wondering what motivated you to roll the dice?

Well the obvious reason would be price. The second is door to door delivery. It appears BRP did not get the EO for the 2021 spiders from the state of CA.

Does anyone else from CA have a 2021 RTL with this sticker? Perhaps it is a very early import and the EO was not received before shipping it to California or the new sticker failed to be mounted prior to shipping.

Jack

 

[ARtraveler]

The key thing here is that according to iMoto, this is the "first" instance of any problems with selling bikes to customers in the state of CA.

Give them a break to get the problem solved, which they said they would. If it is CA's fault for not having the right certificates for the manufacturers or sellers, that is just another strike for the state.

I have successfully purchased two Spyders from iMoto in the last year. All the paperwork was flawless and registration went just fine. Went to DMV yesterday and got my HC plate updated to the new 2020.

There are at least two dealers within 100 miles of me, one would not deal a dime on the 2019. It was take it or leave it. I left it. And I talked to the "owner" about it. Have not been back since. The other dealer would not return phone calls. Their loss, I guess.

I also like the fact that iMoto accepted my trade, no hassle, picked it up, and delivered the new Spyders to my back yard as ordered, etc. Would definately use them if there is another Spyder in my future.

 

[BertRemington]

Based on RideOn's findings, it's pretty apparent what happened. Can-Am built as usual 50-state Spyders but there was an approval backlog at CARB so Can-Am released the 2021 RT with a 49-state emissions label event though the RT was 50-state compliant. Can-Am also sent a notice to the dealers but it was missed for Supercrawler's sale to a CA destination. iMotorsports can't fix this, only Can-Am can.

So I repeat my earlier guidance: get your VIN and call Can-Am to get an updated emissions label.

 

[LeftCoast]

Know also that they may require to visually see the VIN in 2 places, one on the engine to prove the engine isn't stolen. This a two wheel problem affecting our Spyders for registration in Calif. If you got that far in the inspection and didn't get flagged then you are good. If you didn't they will want to see it on the engine. This is what happened to me when I bought my used 2015 RTL from out of state with 15k miles on it. If they do flag you on the engine VIN, I never did find mine, go to CHP, those guys have leeway to not see the engine VIN. They got me squared away in 15 mins. DMV here is a major PItA.

 

[Supercrawler]

I got an email from Drew Warner Financial Dept at IMotorsports.

"Here you go.
temp tag attached
Jason is working on a solution to our problem.
Thanks again for your patience"

As for the question why I bought my spyder from out of Cali (IMotorsports)
The IMotorsports has better reputation than any other dealer in so Cali, I have been screwed from Del Amo Motorsports in Inglewood, Temecula and Motor united in La Habra.
They are a bunch of idiots; wasting my whole day, nothing but playing games.
The IMotorsports online sales persons are very easy to deal with,
Every person I talked to, you could tell has had some knowledge with their product. With that being said, I highly recommend IMotorsports.
Also, at the time couldn't found the color that I want.

 

[K80Shooter]

I got an email from Drew Warner Financial Dept at IMotorsports.

"Here you go.
temp tag attached
Jason is working on a solution to our problem.
Thanks again for your patience"

As for the question why I bought my spyder from out of Cali (IMotorsports)
The IMotorsports has better reputation than any other dealer in so Cali, I have been screwed from Del Amo Motorsports in Inglewood, Temecula and Motor united in La Habra.
They are a bunch of idiots; wasting my whole day, nothing but playing games.
The IMotorsports online sales persons are very easy to deal with,
Every person I talked to, you could tell has had some knowledge with their product. With that being said, I highly recommend IMotorsports.
Also, at the time couldn't found the color that I want.

I agree, wait to see what Imotorsports can do before jumping the gun. I also didn't buy from a dealer in my state for the same reasons you stated.

 

[jcthorne]

They sent a temp tag so you can ride the bike while they work this out. In the end they will have to put a 50 state bike on the truck and send it to you and pick that one up to sell as used. IMS is going to take a pretty good hit on this with loss of value in the used bike and round trip shipping. They will very likely not be able to apply a new decal to the bike.

 

[Peteoz]

I got an email from Drew Warner Financial Dept at IMotorsports.

"Here you go.
temp tag attached
Jason is working on a solution to our problem.
Thanks again for your patience"

Great to hear, Supercrawler:thumbup: . Yes, it’s a right PITA for you, but a resolution is underway. Sometimes, things just fall between the stools, even if you have the best of intentions :clap:

Pete

 

[Supercrawler]

..... remove the LH bodywork under the seat and see if there is a small rectangular box with two Philips screws on its cover and a rubber hose pointing downwards. If you have that then you're on the way to CA emissions compliance. If you don't then you've just made a $5K mistake. How do I know? BTDT.

Is this box you were talked about?

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