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Have you had an ECU Flash? How long did it take? Any good?

Your question is valid. I traded in a flashed RT that has been up to 9,100 rpm. I was in a cold sweat as the BUDS were hooked up. A puzzled tech called over another tech as they BOTH looked at something. Later, I got the courage to ask the techs. He said they could see some misc error codes that happened during my ECU testing for Monster fuel. They also could see the 9,100 rpm and thought it must be incorrect. I told them a young child was sitting on my bike while it was idling and pulled the throttle wide open until the rev limit stopped it. They said that made sense as it would free spin from energy past the rev limit.
So it seems the flash itself is NOT detectable.
Having close to 20,000 miles on the stage one flash with two different Spyders I feel that there is not any power advantage or NEED to shift above the designed red line of our Spyders. I rarely have any need to shift above 7,200 rpm. To me it feels 7,200 rpm is where power and torque give my F3L all it needs to get flying.
I agree with jcthorne that it gets more confusing when trying to get a technical answer.
But, the proof is in the reviews that really big gains are happening across the entire rpm range. The Dyno chart that was shared with me show stock being about 95 hp at the rear wheel, stage 1 about 118 hp and stage 2 about 122 hp.
Hope this info helps.
Dennis

From 95 (stock) to 122 horsepower thats a big jump in performance. Im going to assume the dyno testing was done on your RT(with a 79 tooth rear sprocket). The horsepower output is probably higher on a 89 rear tooth sprocket sport model. Add a Few more horsepower if your running a cat delete exhaust with a K & N air filter...all in all, thats a big jump in performance thats inexpensive and easy to do.
 
Yes----- the ECU flash is worth every cent you pay.

1. Not haveing to wait the 20 or so seconds to start in very nice. Turn the key and stare your :spyder2:

2. Low speed is the same as before---below about 2500 rpm.

3. A very usable improvement above 3000rpm.

4. Above 6000 rpm ------ I don't know as I quickly ran out of safe testing space.:2thumbs:

5. More testing must take place

Lew L

Great to hear...Enjoy your NEW ride!!!
 
The Monster Flash does not remove the speed limiter even though Steve said it would. The flash works, no doubt, just don't put much stock in any specifics he gives you.
 
The Monster Flash does not remove the speed limiter even though Steve said it would. The flash works, no doubt, just don't put much stock in any specifics he gives you.

Has anybody taken it to max. Speed and witnessed the cut off? On both stage I and stage II?..the stage II could have the limiter removed.
 
Has anybody taken it to max. Speed and witnessed the cut off? On both stage I and stage II?..the stage II could have the limiter removed.

Yes, Yes and Yes. I complained to Monster Fuel during testing that the speed restrictions need to be addressed. Like Jcthorne says, he claims it's possible then says it's a liability issue, then says it's complicated and overlaid in more that the ECU.
I have not tested stage 2 yet, It's winter here.
Dennis
 
Has anybody taken it to max. Speed and witnessed the cut off? On both stage I and stage II?..the stage II could have the limiter removed.

I have never seen a "hard & fast" number of what the speed limiter actually is... I have seen info from between 115 all the way up to 127... I don't have the room to run it safely until runs out of breath or hits whatever the speed limiter is. But I'm pushing the latter number currently at 124 in approx 1/2 mile (126 minus the 2mph error on avg)... Not sure I can reach whatever it is with the drag that is induced from my Route 129....
 
I have never seen a "hard & fast" number of what the speed limiter actually is... I have seen info from between 115 all the way up to 127... I don't have the room to run it safely until runs out of breath or hits whatever the speed limiter is. But I'm pushing the latter number currently at 124 in approx 1/2 mile (126 minus the 2mph error on avg)... Not sure I can reach whatever it is with the drag that is induced from my Route 129....

The max I went was 125.3 mph at 7400 rpm ..I ran out of freeway...at the end it was still climbing...that 1330 definitely had more still left in it..my cutoff is 8600..so who knows what the cutoff is... especially on a stage II..all in all I'm still happy with what I got...
 
The max I went was 125.3 mph at 7400 rpm ..I ran out of freeway...at the end it was still climbing...that 1330 definitely had more still left in it..my cutoff is 8600..so who knows what the cutoff is... especially on a stage II..all in all I'm still happy with what I got...

My information on speed limit restrictions must be dated. Until I got the stage 2 flash which I have not tested,, I have been using a stage one that was not the finale version. I kind of burned out with testing and just wanted to ride.
It seems to me that my F3 Limited has the same speed restrictions as the RT platform. I made Monster fuel aware of my suspicions and asked if they could see this in the files.
 
None at all. :coffee: Ive only had mine out once with the Flashed ECU------- It's great and the best proformance mod for the $$$.

Lew L

PS; Some say the rear tire get used up a bit quicker:clap:
 
From 95 (stock) to 122 horsepower thats a big jump in performance. Im going to assume the dyno testing was done on your RT(with a 79 tooth rear sprocket). The horsepower output is probably higher on a 89 rear tooth sprocket sport model. Add a Few more horsepower if your running a cat delete exhaust with a K & N air filter...all in all, thats a big jump in performance thats inexpensive and easy to do.
Sprocket size is the equivalent of changing gear ratios. It has no effect on HP output.
 
You're right Poseidon...but...the rear sprocket size does have an effect the spyders low to mid range torque ..the power off of the line (In combination with the stage II re-map)...that's why I mentioned it...the RT has 79 tooth sprocket and the sport has 89 tooth sprocket..which is better.
 
Hi all
I have a 2017 rt with 9,000 miles sway bar and cat delete, i had the stage 2 done and it was warm to day and got out for a nice ride it runs way better then stock very smooth and the power is right there at a slit move of the throtle, i also think it shifts better. Some people say it jumps after 5000 pm but i dont know about that but it sure doesnt slow down.Will tell more when the weather stays warm. I had the flash done in the states at wick-it performance. I didnt have any trouble with them and quick return.
 
OMG... Had enough time to put my ECU back on and take her out for a quick ride around the corner. QUICK IT WAS. This is the machine I thought I was purchasing in 2015. Satisfied so far. Getting oil change and really put it to the test on the highway.
 
OMG... Had enough time to put my ECU back on and take her out for a quick ride around the corner. QUICK IT WAS. This is the machine I thought I was purchasing in 2015. Satisfied so far. Getting oil change and really put it to the test on the highway.

AWESOME!!!....let us know how your NEW spyder performs on the highway.
 
Sprocket size is the equivalent of changing gear ratios. It has no effect on HP output.

Poseidon, You are exactly correct...And that was the exact way BRP chose to increase the performance of the F3's...I'm sure BRP could have reflashed the ECM for more performance...but they took the safest and easiest way to get it to out perform the other models...And I would like to see this happen to the 1330 RT's...larryd
 
Well....I’m disappointed. I expected more with all the hype. There is slightly more power & seems to run a bit better but not as I imgained it would be. Maybe stage 2? Put about 20 miles on it so maybe it will get better. I remember when it was stock & I took it into the dealer for them to replace the throttle assmy. When I got it back it was slower & not as responsive, it took awhile but it slowly came back to normal. Maybe the ECU learns if you drive like an old man or a bat out of hell & adjusts accordingly. Whatever it may be, I hope it does get better. Going for a 400 mile ride this weekend so
I will report back.
 
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