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Have you had an ECU Flash? How long did it take? Any good?
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Hypurone
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None that I have heard of and if anyone would have experienced it, it would have been Dennis with his RT. He flogged that poor thing mercilessly being the "test mule" for the initial development of the Stage 1 flash. He said it was running just as strong when he traded in for an F3T....
kdp1308
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When it was pointed out to me that the Powervision was now available I looked and it does list some Spyders if you use the vehicle fitment search. They only list the RT for 2016-2017 and the F3 for 2015-2018. So I emailed them about the availability of one for my Spyder (2013 RT-S) and this was their response:
"The PowerVision has the ability to work on your model. The problem is that there are many stock files from Canam for each model and if we have not seen that file yet then we would need you to send in your ECM. Once we have that we can get you a tune to start with. We won't know if this is the case until you get the PV and connect to the vehicle though."
So they don't know if it will work until you plug it in, assuming they send you the right cable. Then if they don't have any tunes for it, I would have to send the ECU to them. They make up a generic tune and then you have to play with it. I read the pdf they have on how to use their software and it was like reading a DOS manual. I don't want to hook up a laptop to my spyder and spend hours playing and testing with no idea what I am doing.
I did email Steve at Monster and he answered all my questions and there are so many good reviews on here that my ECU in now on its way to Monster. I did ask him for dyno charts and he did send them to me. Stock verses stage 1 and 2, HP and torque.
"The PowerVision has the ability to work on your model. The problem is that there are many stock files from Canam for each model and if we have not seen that file yet then we would need you to send in your ECM. Once we have that we can get you a tune to start with. We won't know if this is the case until you get the PV and connect to the vehicle though."
So they don't know if it will work until you plug it in, assuming they send you the right cable. Then if they don't have any tunes for it, I would have to send the ECU to them. They make up a generic tune and then you have to play with it. I read the pdf they have on how to use their software and it was like reading a DOS manual. I don't want to hook up a laptop to my spyder and spend hours playing and testing with no idea what I am doing.
I did email Steve at Monster and he answered all my questions and there are so many good reviews on here that my ECU in now on its way to Monster. I did ask him for dyno charts and he did send them to me. Stock verses stage 1 and 2, HP and torque.
Firefly
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So you're not sure they upgrade any electronics.. you're just guessing?
You have to send it in because the average joe simply doesn't have the computer hookup to make the adjustments... which is probably done with either BUDS or something similar to the Power Vision. There should be no need to upgrade any electronics in the ECU.. because it's already programmable.
Racing is fun, but really not a good judge of such improvements.. because the #1 variable in a race is the rider and the launch. That's why Dyno results are a good thing to look at instead.
I'm betting the Power Vision can do the same thing as these 'ship and flash' guys are doing... might even be able to copy their maps and use them.....
monster can flash the ecu without splitting the ecu only in Canada though .why do monster request to send the ECU in. how would they flash it if you didn't:roflblack: monster dump your stock file edit it then flash it back to the ecu. it seems dynojet and maptunerx have removed the speed limiter monster hasn't managed to crack:yikes:
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Thanks for the Dyno maps …… However there are THREE lines and NONE are identified ……….. at least none that I can see …… Mike
hyea:trikermutha
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You will not be able to read your ECU with this tuner as we all thought. You can write to it but not read it on the Can am Models
Hypurone
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Thanks for the Dyno maps …… However there are THREE lines and NONE are identified ……….. at least none that I can see …… Mike
This has always been the challenge with Steve. What he says and sends can differ greatly and what you actually get is almost indecipherable.... I have dyno graphs that look like a 3yr old was let loose with the graphing paper! Even though I am happy with his Stage 1 that I have, I am hesitant to send it back for the "new and improved" Stage 1 much less the Stage 2 at this point.
JS3535
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What is this “new & improved” you speak of? I just sent mine back (still waiting on it’s return) am I going to be new & improved or old & worsen?
Hypurone
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In an email chain I received from Dennis who has just jumped to the Stage 2 but hasn't tested it yet, Steve stated he has made some improvements to the Stage 1 flash as well.... So most likely you both will end up with the newer version I would imagine. But who knows....
308gunner
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That's very interesting...its getting better..that's just stage I...imagine stage II.
JS3535
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This is from an email conversation I had with Steve from Monster. If this doesn’t make you want to have yours done, then...I don’t know what will
The stock engine is lean for emissions. Besides fuel and timing for heat addressing, the stock cooling fan and engine keep temperatures at 214*F.
The high engine heat helps burn any fuel in engine. (Along with engine life) But thats why they run it so hot.
I knock that down for the engine to stay under 200*F. Even lower for stage 2.
The speed limit is raised on both stages - However, the VCM on each bike controls the top speed. Not ecu.
There is well over 30 remapping modifications in the ecu.
Cooling fan, Throttle Control, Torque Limiting, Ignition Timing, Fuel delivery, rev limits, speed limits etc.
An ecu controls the engine. Fuel, ignition timing along with external control of things like the electronic throttle and cooling fan.
The whole package is remapped.
Longevity is increased. The factory engine runs lean and hot. The remapping addresses both. Both the exhaust and the engine run much cooler than stock.
You can drive the piss out of it. The most important things for longevity are keeping your oil changed. And using good fuel with octane from 91 to 94.
The Bosch ecu is 2 pieces and is opened by removing the clips. This is how programming is accessed.
It is resealed better than stock. (Special silicone, not just putting clips back on)
Oh…. You will notice more power.
The stock engine is lean for emissions. Besides fuel and timing for heat addressing, the stock cooling fan and engine keep temperatures at 214*F.
The high engine heat helps burn any fuel in engine. (Along with engine life) But thats why they run it so hot.
I knock that down for the engine to stay under 200*F. Even lower for stage 2.
The speed limit is raised on both stages - However, the VCM on each bike controls the top speed. Not ecu.
There is well over 30 remapping modifications in the ecu.
Cooling fan, Throttle Control, Torque Limiting, Ignition Timing, Fuel delivery, rev limits, speed limits etc.
An ecu controls the engine. Fuel, ignition timing along with external control of things like the electronic throttle and cooling fan.
The whole package is remapped.
Longevity is increased. The factory engine runs lean and hot. The remapping addresses both. Both the exhaust and the engine run much cooler than stock.
You can drive the piss out of it. The most important things for longevity are keeping your oil changed. And using good fuel with octane from 91 to 94.
The Bosch ecu is 2 pieces and is opened by removing the clips. This is how programming is accessed.
It is resealed better than stock. (Special silicone, not just putting clips back on)
Oh…. You will notice more power.
308gunner
Member
Thats why I had mine done..also..with the map..you can SAFELY change out your exhaust cat because its not running lean anymore...if you going to change out your exhaust cat, do a Re-map FIRST!!!...
Just remember to change your oil every 5000 miles, along with good quality gasoline. like you said....AND..watch your front drive sprocket for red dust!
308gunner
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DO IT....DO IT!!!! you know you want to!!...Hook up your go pro camera and do it!!
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