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Fuels for Spyders?

Octane alone can't do that ..... UNLESS you increase the compression of that engine .... google it ..... Mike
This is true, but there is a bit more to the story.

It is true that "octane" is NOT "power". In fact, the opposite is true. A gallon of high-octane fuel has a few thousand less BTUs than "regular" lower-octane fuel. The octane is only a measure of resistance to detonation, usually due to the higher heat of a higher-compression engine.

If, ... IF you have a high-compression engine that DOES require higher octane fuel, that is great. Most of the computer-controlled, fuel-injected engines in vehicles nowadays have some protection features that will detune the engine if knocking or pinging is detected due to lower-octane fuel. That detuning WILL lower the performance of the engine.

If that lower-performance engine is all you have ever experienced, then you add the proper fuel, which allows the engine to operate at full performance, you can certainly get the impression that "higher octane gave me better performance".

Just got our Spyder this past weekend, have not had to add any gas to it yet. Also, still getting used to the handling, have not had a chance to explore the limits of the engine performance, so I have absolutely nothing to compare to, so I don't know the difference.

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If only we could get no ethanol in more gas stations. I buy it when it is available. Buc-ee's has 92 no ethanol for around what they sell mid grade. Ethanol is what makes gas go bad quickly. If you have small engines like lets say a lawn mower. Use no ethanol and it won't clog up on you. The corn is what gums up your engine.
 
BRP recommends premium which in my parts is 93 octane 10% ethanol, I see many here using 87 octane with no issues, now I'm guessing that BRP has the engine mapped for 91-93 octane and at lower octanes the knock sensor kicks in and the ECU pulls timing, and then it seems there are no issues with anyone losing MPG's, makes me wonder if the ECU is really mapped for 87 and Bombi recommends premium to make up for any bad fuel that might be encounted.
 
If only we could get no ethanol in more gas stations. I buy it when it is available. Buc-ee's has 92 no ethanol for around what they sell mid grade. Ethanol is what makes gas go bad quickly. If you have small engines like lets say a lawn mower. Use no ethanol and it won't clog up on you. The corn is what gums up your engine.

I've been using Fitch Fuel catalyst in my jerry cans for the past 20 years, it keeps the ethanol fuel fresh for all my two stroke and four stroke tools and toys.

https://fitchfuelcatalyst.com/
 
Ethanol is what makes gas go bad quickly. If you have small engines like lets say a lawn mower. Use no ethanol and it won't clog up on you. The corn is what gums up your engine.

I lost track of the dollars spent and trips to the small engine shop before they convinced me. The smaller the engine the more likely there to be issues with plugged carburetors. I started buying pure gasoline in the quart cans and the little engines love it. I know it's way over-priced but I don't use a lot of it over the summer and it's still cheaper than the repair shop.
 
Higher octane and more timing can make more power so hypothetically if the engine's computer is able to advance timing without pinging it can make more power without having higher compression.

That being said I lm I'm trying to figure out if ethanol free 93 is better than 93 with 10% lethanol. I'm tracking the next few tanks of ethanol free to see if there is an increase in mileage and power.
 
It's also recommended that you not fill up when the delivery tanker is hooked to the underground tanks. Seems if they pump the gas into it, it disturbs the sediment and you may pump debris into your tank. I only had occasion to fill up when the tanker truck was there and had to run my tank empty on bad gas for a tankful. It was not fun. 200 miles. Speedway gas station. GL1800 GoldWing.
 
every answer here will be a little different but all good info. I found as long as you don't use diesel your spyder will start.:roflblack:
 
I have noticed if I fill up with 90 octane, my Spyder (2019 RTL) will spark knock just a couple times when accelerating from a stop. With 93 octane I don't think it does. I'm rechecking my memory now. Last time I filled up they had 90 octane super and I am spark knocking from a stop. I will try to find a 93 octane station next time to see if it goes away.
 
I have noticed if I fill up with 90 octane, my Spyder (2019 RTL) will spark knock just a couple times when accelerating from a stop. With 93 octane I don't think it does. I'm rechecking my memory now. Last time I filled up they had 90 octane super and I am spark knocking from a stop. I will try to find a 93 octane station next time to see if it goes away.

:hun: ... I've drag raced ( at a legal track ) with a V-twin and the 1330 ...... using 87 and they never missed a beat .... I think there might be something that needs to be looked at on your Spyder ...... good luck .... mike :thumbup:
 
Owner Manual 2016 F3T...
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From BRP for a 2016 F3. Hmmmm

Type Premium unleaded gasoline
87 Pump Posted AKI (RON+MON)/2 Minimum octane
92 RON
91 Pump Posted AKI (RON+MON)/2
Fuel - Refer to
FUEL REQUIREMENTS
Recommended octane
95 RON
Fuel tank capacity 27 L (7.1 U.S. gal.)
 
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