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Front Pulley R&R - can it be done without loosening belt tension?

How's your rear tire? Maybe doing that will "release" the belt. I respectfully disagree with PMK. It's rather easy to loosen the tension of the belt with the "belt tensioner" bolts, like one should do when changing the rear tire. Jack up the bike and the belt should just slip off, no walking required. As with steering tie rods, counting turns can make the restoration of the belt tension easier. Just run them back the same number (index them first so you get the proper clock). And BTW, if you have a belt idler, bunjee it up off the belt before you do anything.

It was the lesser of two evils to loosen the belt tension. With the tire up and the tensioners very loose or slack and the main shaft bolt loose, I took a heavy hammer and slammed the rubber of the rear tire forward to take up the tensioner slack.
 
I had to use a large 3 jaw gear puller. It was tight all the way to the end . I could not get the pully to budge at all by hand or pry bars..

I also needed a puller to get the pully off. No need to purchase one as most auto parts stores have a free tool rental program. I just went to the closest one. In my case an AutoZone and browed their 3 arm puller.
 
By design, the pulley is a slip fit onto the splines. With wear or contamination from particles from the fretting no doubt the pulley can be difficult to remove. The pulley if worn an appreciable amount can also become wedged. But again, by design, it is a slip fit.
 
How's your rear tire? Maybe doing that will "release" the belt. I respectfully disagree with PMK. It's rather easy to loosen the tension of the belt with the "belt tensioner" bolts, like one should do when changing the rear tire. Jack up the bike and the belt should just slip off, no walking required. As with steering tie rods, counting turns can make the restoration of the belt tension easier. Just run them back the same number (index them first so you get the proper clock). And BTW, if you have a belt idler, bunjee it up off the belt before you do anything.

Absolutely, you can disagree with my previous comment, I have zero issue with that. The method of loosening the axle, and then counting turns on the adjusters is 110% logical in theory. Enough so that as an early Spyder owner I used this method several times. Unfortunately, the method of counting turns on the adjusters comes up short on realigning the belt based on the requirement to tighten the axle. Can Am / BRP designed one of the worst axle alignment / tensioning setups I have ever had to deal with on a motorcycle. They use cast aluminum two piece axle holders. These split style holders are inserted into the swingarms box tube structure. By design, they are a loose fit. As the axle starts to see feel tension as the nut is tightened, the right side adjuster moves about. Unfortunately, with this happening, and the need for very small incremental adjustments to the right side axle block, in order to obtain correct belt tracking, the likelihood of getting the same position is not good.

Since there is no means to know where the right side adjuster was positioned prior to loosening the axle, you can set the adjuster bolt exactly the same but have belt tracking issues. Then as you work to get the belt tracking correct, each loosening of the axle and subsequent retightening can reposition the adjuster blocks into another position.

So if you plan to loosen the axle, expect to chase your tail a bit to get the belt tracking as it was. The only tip I have, is that of set the tension via the left side adjuster, and the belts tension will hold the axle in position. For the right side adjuster, you need a long block of wood and a BFH. Snug the axle and beat the axle nut forward in hopes of getting it in the same location.

Can Am could have done a much, much better job designing the swingarm and adjusters.

Rattlebars, all the best using the method you link to, I did not watch the video you linked, just my own experience knows only loosen the rear axle if absolutely required.
 
My 2019 F3L with 6000 mi. Replaced Front pulley with new robust white pulley.
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I followed shop manual by backing off belt adjustment screws 4 turns evenly.... allowing belt to be removed.
 
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I noticed the shop rate for pulley replacement quoted as 1/2 hour. Is this for both an RTL and an F3L ??

thanks johnv
 
Hey BikerChris, are the 2 marks on the outer rim of the new pulley orientation marks?? Also, could you please provide a link for the new pulley & bolt combo? Thanks in advance......
 
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Question for someone with experience doing this:

Can the Front Pulley be removed and installed without loosening belt tension?
Shop manual labor is .5 hour for this proceedure. Wondering if there is a short cut to arrive in completing this operation in .5/hour.
Found this in the 2020 updates to F3 and RT. Look at last sentence.
 
Rattlebars, all the best using the method you link to, I did not watch the video you linked, just my own experience knows only loosen the rear axle if absolutely required.

I suggest you watch the video and pay attention to the comments he makes. I stated the "other" method of loosening the belt tension as an alterative. Pulling the rear shock bolt after jacking the bike will loosen the belt sufficiently to just move it off the pulley without much effort at all.
 
I suggest you watch the video and pay attention to the comments he makes. I stated the "other" method of loosening the belt tension as an alterative. Pulling the rear shock bolt after jacking the bike will loosen the belt sufficiently to just move it off the pulley without much effort at all.

If loosening the axle and adjuster works well for you, that is awesome. Since buying our Spyder in 2014, I have watched many of the videos regarding what you suggest. From experience of removing rear wheels and accomplishing other tasks without removing the rear wheel but removing the belt, I prefer the methods I use, but whatever you like is fine by me.
 
So, if you have trouble getting the old front pulley off, would it be a good idea to replace it?

It depends what you're asking...do you mean it's a difficult job for your expertise or the pulley won't easily slide off the shaft?

If the pulley is tight on the shaft because it has red rust, skoosh some release oil down the spline - WD40 or similar - and it will likely slide right off. It's not seized on, it's some form of wedging by the dry dust.
 
Question for someone with experience doing this:

Can the Front Pulley be removed and installed without loosening belt tension.
The short and accurate answer is, yes. Release the hand brake and chock the wheels. Lift the rear of the bike on a jack, as the swing arm lowers it removes some of the tension from the belt. Pull outwards on the top of the belt and roll the rear wheel backwards to walk the belt off the rear sprocket. Mind and not trap your fingers between belt and sprocket! Contrary to other postings, this is perfectly safe for the belt.
Replacement is even simpler, fit the belt over the lower sector of the sprocket and push upwards on the wheel. Very easy and simple to do.
 

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Not really possible with models that have side storage compartments. RT, F3L & T. I can barley see the top of the sprocket and the bottom has a guard which is only 3 bolts. In my situation the belt has not been adjusted in 20,000 miles and the axel bolt was locked solid as the wheel did not move until I wacked it forward with a very large hammer. It was a good time to get some penetrating lube into and on the axel area in case it needs to come off down the road. Obviously several things to be considered. I used penetrating oil 2 weeks before I tried to remove it. NO WAY was that bugger coming off without my 3 jaw puller.
 
Not really possible with models that have side storage compartments. RT, F3L & T. I can barley see the top of the sprocket and the bottom has a guard which is only 3 bolts. In my situation the belt has not been adjusted in 20,000 miles and the axel bolt was locked solid as the wheel did not move until I wacked it forward with a very large hammer. It was a good time to get some penetrating lube into and on the axel area in case it needs to come off down the road. Obviously several things to be considered. I used penetrating oil 2 weeks before I tried to remove it. NO WAY was that bugger coming off without my 3 jaw puller.

The method of walking a belt off under tension for belts fabricated with carbon fibres for reinforcement is highly discouraged. As the belt crosses the edge of the pulley, the fibres can be compromised.

For aramid belts, fibreglass belts, or most other fibres it is not a serious concern to walk the belt off the pulley. Those fibres tend to have some elasticity and will not fracture as easily as carbon. Apparently, when tne carbon belt is damaged, the damage can not be seen,.

Don’t kill the messenger, those wishing to roll the belts off or wanting to loosen the axle, whatever you find as best is ok with me. Just bet it would ruin a person day snapping a drive belt in traffic. Risk vs Reward...
 
Not really possible with models that have side storage compartments. RT, F3L & T. I can barley see the top of the sprocket and the bottom has a guard which is only 3 bolts. In my situation the belt has not been adjusted in 20,000 miles and the axel bolt was locked solid as the wheel did not move until I wacked it forward with a very large hammer. It was a good time to get some penetrating lube into and on the axel area in case it needs to come off down the road. Obviously several things to be considered. I used penetrating oil 2 weeks before I tried to remove it. NO WAY was that bugger coming off without my 3 jaw puller.

Respectfully ... I have an F3T and didn't have a problem that I would call "impossible" in removing the rear wheel for a tire change @ 13k. Very easy once it's jacked up. And, to remove the rear wheel, one must first remove the belt. Setting the tension with a krikit II (2) as per my linked video requires some reaching, but it was possible as well. I'm 72 with arthritis, bad knees and war wounds.

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The method of walking a belt off under tension for belts fabricated with carbon fibres for reinforcement is highly discouraged. As the belt crosses the edge of the pulley, the fibres can be compromised.

For aramid belts, fibreglass belts, or most other fibres it is not a serious concern to walk the belt off the pulley. Those fibres tend to have some elasticity and will not fracture as easily as carbon. Apparently, when tne carbon belt is damaged, the damage can not be seen,.

Don’t kill the messenger, those wishing to roll the belts off or wanting to loosen the axle, whatever you find as best is ok with me. Just bet it would ruin a person day snapping a drive belt in traffic. Risk vs Reward...

PMK you normally talk sense but in this case you're not. The sprocket is rimless so there is no overloading of the belt when it rides over a rim, when the wheel hangs down the belt tension is released considerably and finally the belts are flexible! The compromising of the carbon fibre, well I think you invented that. ;)
 
PMK you normally talk sense but in this case you're not. The sprocket is rimless so there is no overloading of the belt when it rides over a rim, when the wheel hangs down the belt tension is released considerably and finally the belts are flexible! The compromising of the carbon fibre, well I think you invented that. ;)


Fair enough, not my Spyder or advice to remove it that way, so whatever works for others as I have no issue with it.
 
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