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First oil change
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BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
You may already do this to all your other oil changes ..... put the socket ( or torx ) on an extension .... put that onto the head of the plug .... tap it moderately hard a few times .... this should break the Varnish seal on the threads .... and I always set the ratchet to LOOSEN prior to using it ..... good luck ... Mike
The manual does say 6000 miles, to me thats a little too high. I also do the first oil change earlier (1500 to 2000 miles) because a new motor can contaminate the oil with metalic particulates and other materials from the manufacturing process. After that, I'll go about every 3500 to 4000 miles.
Last time I looked closely at engine manufacturing plants here in Oz (not that there's many left these days! 
) one of the last steps on every one of those production lines was to fill them up with oil & connect to fuel & power etc, and actually run/test them..... Then once they'd passed their tests, they'd drain the oil, check everything out & then dispatch the engines off to wherever they were going to be installed... and I suspect ROTAX does this to most of the engines that leave their plant too - in fact, I believe doing that's mandated on many of their engines!! :lecturef_smilie:
So AFAIK, there's really no NEED for YOU to worry about draining that 'initial oil fill' in your new Spyder/Ryker to make sure there's no manufacturing debris left in there like there once may have been, simply cos you don't get to see the 'initial oil fill' - that has already been done & drained/relpaced!
Still, if you've paid for it, then it's your engine, and you can do/throw whatever at it you feel like. :thumbup:
) one of the last steps on every one of those production lines was to fill them up with oil & connect to fuel & power etc, and actually run/test them..... Then once they'd passed their tests, they'd drain the oil, check everything out & then dispatch the engines off to wherever they were going to be installed... and I suspect ROTAX does this to most of the engines that leave their plant too - in fact, I believe doing that's mandated on many of their engines!! :lecturef_smilie: So AFAIK, there's really no NEED for YOU to worry about draining that 'initial oil fill' in your new Spyder/Ryker to make sure there's no manufacturing debris left in there like there once may have been, simply cos you don't get to see the 'initial oil fill' - that has already been done & drained/relpaced!
Still, if you've paid for it, then it's your engine, and you can do/throw whatever at it you feel like. :thumbup:
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BajaRon
Well-known member
Last time I looked closely at engine manufacturing plants here in Oz (not that there's many left these days!
So AFAIK, there's really no NEED for YOU to worry about draining that 'initial oil fill' in your new Spyder/Ryker to make sure there's no manufacturing debris left in there like there once may have been, simply cos you don't get to see the 'initial oil fill' - that has already been done & drained/relpaced!
I agree. And this is the logical, unemotional best approach. But people have a hard time letting go of old adages and accepted past practices. As these things go, this one is not so bad. People feel better about their maintenance schedule. And other than wasting some perfectly good oil, it really can't hurt. I think a more important aspect, which most people overlook, is having your oil analyzed. This will tell you exactly what is going on with your internals. You no longer have to guess or Over-Service your vehicle to feel good about it. Over time, you can save a good portion of the oil test costs with appropriate oil service intervals.
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Last time I looked closely at engine manufacturing plants here in Oz (not that there's many left these days!
So AFAIK, there's really no NEED for YOU to worry about draining that 'initial oil fill' in your new Spyder/Ryker to make sure there's no manufacturing debris left in there like there once may have been, simply cos you don't get to see the 'initial oil fill' - that has already been done & drained/relpaced!
I'll stick to my earlier post about the first oil change, and recommend that others dont wait too long for theirs either. Fortnine's first oil change test video verifies this info with a surprising winner in the group.
rakerrykerrider
New member
He didn't test Rotax motors and the test wasn't real world.
If you think it cant happen, then I would guess that you live in a world of marshmallows, snowflakes, butterflies and rainbows. A quick search of Google reveals there have been plenty of reports of forum members with Spyders here finding all sorts of metal particulate and pieces of metal on their magnetic oil plugs on their first oil change. Its normal to find a very small amount of metallic particulates, its not good if you find anything else like some others have. It takes more than a quick 2 minute engine run and oil drain for some of the wear to occur on new metal parts in a motor.
It happens is all I'm saying, and a oil & filter change a little earlier than 6000 miles (which is crazy high IMO), number one wont break the bank, and number two may prevent problems down the road. They may have pristine conditions during the manufacturing process, but you are still dealing with humans, some of which are just there for a paycheck and nothing else, and we know the reliability of humans is 100% right? Links to other members first oil change on their Spyders:
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?91564-Metal-Piece-on-Magnetic-Oil-Drain-Plug
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...g-Found-in-Engine-Oil-During-3K-Mile-SVC-Help!
Post #16 on this one: https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?92890-Synthetic-blend-vs-full-synthetic
michaelfrmtx
New member
never seen an engine blow up from changing the oil too soon.j/s
Actually, in my Military career and then in the large Corporate Entities I've worked for since, in roles often monitoring just this sort of thing, I've seen quite a few 'mechanical & electro-mechanical devices' either fail to perform as designed or fail to perform at all prematurely due to 'excessive or early maintenance', including from tasks as simple as 'changing the oil too soon!' :shocked:
So don't be fooled into thinking it CAN'T HAPPEN!! It CAN, and IT DOES happen!! In my experience, not only does this happen far more often than you might think, but it also happens significantly more often than failures due to manufacturing contaminants in the oil, simply because even the most unscrupulous of manufacturers out there (& I'm not including either Rotax or BRP in that lot!) usually at least tries to get their machine products to last longer than whatever warranty they have to provide before failing for any reason!! :lecturef_smilie:
Speaking from experience, there is often a very fine line between 'it can't hurt' to service any machine too early, and 'too much/too often causing issues' - only it's extremely difficult to identify where that line might be without a vast array of data from multiple machines and multiple maintenace regimes!! And that's something that most of us here probably don't have access to with regard to our Spyders & their Rotax Engines, but the design & manufacturing engineers probably do!! So you really hafta make a bit of a judgement call on this, but please, do be aware that you may well be increasing your engine's risk of failure to achieve it's planned outputs &/or service life by 'over-servicing' it &/or servicing it too soon - even if you're just changing the oil! Just Sayin'
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While I do agree with the "too much of a good thing" idea, I totally disagree with the idea that an early first oil change is going to
grenade an engine, or even cause that engine to not perform to its utmost. You'll never convince me otherwise, unless you can
produce several examples of an early first oil change directly leading to issues.
I'm not referring to anything other than the first oil change.
grenade an engine, or even cause that engine to not perform to its utmost. You'll never convince me otherwise, unless you can
produce several examples of an early first oil change directly leading to issues.
I'm not referring to anything other than the first oil change.
Boilermaker
Member
I always love how this forum has a habit of taking a simple question and turning it into a major discussion. :gaah: Simple question, simple answer. Follow the guidelines given by BRP (make sure they are documented) and your warranty will cover it. After the warranty runs out, do whatever you want because you will be paying for the consequences either way.
What you say is mostly true, but many people have found that sticking strictly to manufacturer's guidelines and recommendations are not
necessarily the best way to go. That's been my experience anyway, with cars, trucks, and bikes.
And I'm not saying it'll happen every time either, Possible - I'm just saying:
Heck, the majority of poster's in this thread might (or at least think!) they can or have gotten away with doing their 'first oil change' early; maybe only as few as 1 or 2 Spyder Owners out of all the Spyder Owners there ever have/will be will ever be able to clearly identify (or have identified for them ) that it was their early first oil change decision that meant their Spyder never performed/ran as well as it should or could (sheesh, I'd suggest that many wouldn't even have any idea if their Spyder is or isn't working to its full potential 
); or that their Spyder engine failed to function in some way that was directly attributable to their early first oil change - because they don't, you don't, and I certainly don't have all the data & info, and wear/oil analysis results et al that would allow anyone to make that sorta call... but from my experience, back when it did involve having all that necessary info available for some very expensive pieces of kit, we found that it DOES happen waaayy more often than you might think (that is, all of those 'you's' out there who don't have & aren't ever likely to have or had access to all the necessary info - just like me, about Spyders & Rotax engines ) so I've passed on my bit of real world knowledge & experience on in the form of a word of caution. 
hyea:
You can take that & do with it as you will - after all, it's your Spyder, and if you want to risk it or even if you think you're actually minimising some other risk, then it's your decision & whatever happens you'll probably live with it either way, won't you? :dontknow: Still, I hope that at the very least, I gave you & all the other readers some food for thought - but if I didn't, then I'll live with it too - I tried, didn't I?! :thumbup:
- and I even gave you my opinion about why manufacturers & their designers & engineers with all the necessary data & info on hand might have designed this into their engines & their recommended service schedules.
Heck, the majority of poster's in this thread might (or at least think!) they can or have gotten away with doing their 'first oil change' early; maybe only as few as 1 or 2 Spyder Owners out of all the Spyder Owners there ever have/will be will ever be able to clearly identify (or have identified for them
) that it was their early first oil change decision that meant their Spyder never performed/ran as well as it should or could (sheesh, I'd suggest that many wouldn't even have any idea if their Spyder is or isn't working to its full potential ); or that their Spyder engine failed to function in some way that was directly attributable to their early first oil change - because they don't, you don't, and I certainly don't have all the data & info, and wear/oil analysis results et al that would allow anyone to make that sorta call... but from my experience, back when it did involve having all that necessary info available for some very expensive pieces of kit, we found that it DOES happen waaayy more often than you might think (that is, all of those 'you's' out there who don't have & aren't ever likely to have or had access to all the necessary info - just like me, about Spyders & Rotax engines ) so I've passed on my bit of real world knowledge & experience on in the form of a word of caution. hyea:You can take that & do with it as you will - after all, it's your Spyder, and if you want to risk it or even if you think you're actually minimising some other risk, then it's your decision & whatever happens you'll probably live with it either way, won't you? :dontknow: Still, I hope that at the very least, I gave you & all the other readers some food for thought - but if I didn't, then I'll live with it too - I tried, didn't I?! :thumbup:
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