First Idler Kit Failure?

[Roadster Renovations]

DOC I just ordered from your site the Idler Pulley Arm for the F-3, Item number: UVBD.1-F3. I watched your videos on the install and how you explained the added 2 inches from the BRP one. I currently am running the BRP one so all I needed was your Idler Pulley Arm and I understand how to install it on the BRP metal mount so should be no problem. You talked a lot about the tension on the ROLLER itself,, now when I receive my Pulley will in already have the correct tension where the Roller gets mounted onto the arm and will it be already set up for the F3? I think in your video you mentioned that it would be.. Just asking. You should see an order for a Joseph Peschon Waynesville MO. I paid via a credit card and not the paypal option. Thank you. PS: There appears to be nothing wrong with the BRP one that is on my spYder however when I installed it a few months back I really didn't notice much of a difference in the whole vibrations piece and I believe after seeing your video its possible the added 2 inches will place the roller where it needs to go..

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Actually, we modified that original video and adjusted the length to the same amount. We had clearance issues with some models, so we made it uniform. This information is in the comments section of the video. I will hold up sending yours until we make sure you still want it.

 

[Ex-Rocket]

We have about 1500 miles on the RT and about 800 on the F3. No increased play or noise. That is probably because the bearings are 30% bigger and there are two instead of one.

Will the nylon pulley that has the 2 bearings that you sell, fit on the BRP belt tensioner arm?

 

[Roadster Renovations]

Will the nylon pulley that has the 2 bearings that you sell, fit on the BRP belt tensioner arm?

That is a very good question, and unfortunately, the way the arm is made, it will not. The bolt is in a recessed area and the other side has a flange on it. If you were to cut the flange off to accommodate the full width of the pulley, you would not have enough material due to the recessed area for it to have any longevity of holding up. I though about giving it a try, but with liabilities, I needed to make a product as totally indestructible as possible. That is why we red lock tite AND use all torsional lock nuts. The configuration of the way the arm and pulley are put together allows for a very small amount of side load on the bearings. You will not get that from a plastic arm. Here is a video that explains that.

 

[honda]

BRP IDLER ON RT

I ran the idler for about 2500 miles and was very good when new. Vibration was back at same speeds as before install. Most weather was in the 80s and 90s. The play was 1/8 to to 1/4 inch (SORRY DOC IF I MISLEAD YOU).I will probably take it to the dealer and show them. Will keep everyone posted

 

[Roadster Renovations]

I ran the idler for about 2500 miles and was very good when new. Vibration was back at same speeds as before install. Most weather was in the 80s and 90s. The play was 1/8 to to 1/4 inch (SORRY DOC IF I MISLEAD YOU).I will probably take it to the dealer and show them. Will keep everyone posted

1/4"inch is too much play IMHO! Don't feel bad, several ryders have pulled them.
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Your upgrade kit is on the way. I think she sent it priority. Might want to check the belt tension and alignment also.

 

[honda]

BRP BELT IDLER

Just found out the idler only has 14 day return policy . I picked it up on Jan.28/17 so I am out of time.​

 

[Bob Denman]

Only 14 days?
That seems like an incredibly short period of time! :gaah: nojoke

 

[Habib]

Just found out the idler only has 14 day return policy . I picked it up on Jan.28/17 so I am out of time.​

For a return. Has BRP said anything about them coming apart in only 2500 miles?

 

[Roadster Renovations]

They should cover that as a defective product. If not a refund, then a defective exchange. And I would sure get a new one from them if for no other reason that to have the metal portion (spring & bracket, etc).

Want to bet the warranty is only good if: 1. The original part was installed by a BRP tech on a F3. 2. To replace the defective kit it would also have to be again installed (and paid for again) by a BRP tech.

 

[bzbaeren]

Idler

I just put Doc Humphries on my Rt and ran it down the road noticed the difference for the better right away.:yes::yes:Took less than an hour to install.:yes::yes:

 

[Beachbum]

Install or not?

I just got my BRP idler kit and don't know if I should bother installing it or just order the upgrade from Doc? I planned on adding it during my springtime oil change in about a month. Would you run the factory idler 'till it breaks or just do it right the first time?

 

[Cruzr Joe]

Well i will talk about the other end of the spectrum.

I have put 3,000 miles on my BRP idler arm on my F3 Limited and it is still working great, that don't mean it won't fail tomorrow but anything man made is subject to failure.

if you are running the F3 BRP idler on a RT with someone else's adapter, then you are not running a BRP idler as it was designed.

Cruzr Joe

Just my .02 cents worth.

 

[Richardv]

Question for you, Doc.....

1/4"inch is too much play IMHO! Don't feel bad, several ryders have pulled them.
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Your upgrade kit is on the way. I think she sent it priority. Might want to check the belt tension and alignment also.

My brand new BRP tensioner has quite a bit of play..... probably close to 1/8" . Should I adjust it as per your video, or is it ok since it is plastic and might expand with heat ?

Second question. Would you use USPS mail to ship to Canada? Reason for asking is that everybody else is charging custom even if it doesn't apply under $200.00. Customer does have the burden to claim back from governement after the fact.

Thanks for the replies....

 

[Roadster Renovations]

My brand new BRP tensioner has quite a bit of play..... probably close to 1/8" . Should I adjust it as per your video, or is it ok since it is plastic and might expand with heat ?

Second question. Would you use USPS mail to ship to Canada? Reason for asking is that everybody else is charging custom even if it doesn't apply under $200.00. Customer does have the burden to claim back from governement after the fact.

Thanks for the replies....

We have shipped several times to Canada and it is not much more than the US shipping. The BRP unit out of the baggie has play in the pulley, either by design or........ It cannot be adjusted as the bolt and nut are as tight as they can be made.

I have never seen a belt pulley made intentionally with that much slop, but I am not an expert on these matters as everyone knows.....:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[jcthorne]

Just found out the idler only has 14 day return policy . I picked it up on Jan.28/17 so I am out of time.​

Return
policy is very different from warranty. The warranty for defective BRP Parts is indeed 90 days. If your dealer refused to honor that, contact BRP directly.

 

[Roadster Renovations]

I am going to lay this out the way *I* see it.

Dealer to dealer pricing on this kit is $25. That means that the dealer probably is paying BRP $12-15 per unit. That means that they are costing BRP probably no more than $7.50 each to manufacture. That is nickels and dimes compared to the investment the end consumer (us) have shelled out for these bykes.

Successful car manufacturers learn form their customers on what works and what doesn't. They are making improvements every year to problem areas. This makes a better end product.

Now, I am going to give three examples for the Spyder:

Side cases on the RT. Weak plastic joints that break due to voids in the mold. This has been since 2010. They have never changed it and made it stronger even on the 2017's. Why? Even the warranty work alone is costing them a great deal of money and with the down time on the byke the consumer is not happy with a loss of ryding time. Cause let's face it, they don't break sitting in the garage wrapped up for the winter. Cost of our fix per unit? $80. Heck, I would even give them the concept to use.

Air Bag holes from rocks. Unless you have had this happen, you have no idea the frustration of it being typically misdiagnosed (bad compressor) and the service dept. is lazy is checking the bottom of the airbag. Again, time we can't ryde while the byke is repaired. Our cost for this fix? $30.

RT Vibration Damper. Those of us that have RT's and experience vibrations have been asking for a fix. Until the F3 came along, we were shot down at every turn. Now, since we have successfully used a idler (their word, not ours) that does stop all those vibrations, we proved it could be done. This should be something that is standard equipment on both the RT & F3. Cost for this improvement? $250 at the most including install.

Now, going by the first part on costs, BRP could greatly reduce costs on the above items by buying in volume.

They are not listening to us about this stuff. Many of you are going to Valcourt. Express your concerns to them. Fix the known problems. Listen to your customers. Make improvements on these bykes in the known problem areas. This will not make the company weaker it will make it thrive by having a more bulletproof Spyder.

 

[Road-Kill]

Not making accusations but a dealer who bashes a competitor leaves their statements very suspect in my book. I am awaiting the installation of the BRP idler and will make my own judgement. Rather then discussing a competitors possible shortcomings maybe detail how yours are superior, titanium this-scandium that, warranty that is outstanding etc.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

WELLLLLLL NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT

Doc , I can't believe you didn't mention the windshield .....ARM... which been a problem since 2010 !!!!!! and the warranty fix on that is $ 700.00 ................:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[Jeriatric]

Doc Humphreys - one of the "Good Guys"

Not making accusations but a dealer who bashes a competitor leaves their statements very suspect in my book. I am awaiting the installation of the BRP idler and will make my own judgement. Rather then discussing a competitors possible shortcomings maybe detail how yours are superior, titanium this-scandium that, warranty that is outstanding etc.

I think being relatively new here may have prejudiced your statement. Doc knows of what he speaks, and all he has spoken here, is the truth.

:doorag:

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: Doc is a "Keeper". :thumbup: