Bfromla
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:thumbup: Good to hear something is being done. & question the G.P.S. has to be the Gear Position Sensor :dontknow: ? For rednecks like me
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First BRP product & first day was a failure, flashing R & N what next?
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Thank you for the clarification/correction.
My dealer did not notify me to arrange inspection of mine - just last month my 2015 F3-S was at dealer for first service: I asked what warranty/service bulletins and recalls were performed and was told only the frame reinforcement bar (which I previously told them about so parts could be ordered in advance) was done. Need to call them and setup another service visit.
This warranty bulletin states: "All involved customers need to be notified, all involved units must be corrected as per instruction herein." IMHO - this is a strange way to run a business - leaving it up to dealers to inform owners of a "warranty" issue - just like frame reinforcement bar for F3's. Especially for a known potential part failure that can leave one stranded and or in a dangerous highway situation or worse an accident. :gaah:
This is not a service bulletin but a WARRANTY bulletin - All warranty bulletins should be also be sent to owners!:gaah:
The confusing part is that a "limited quantity" of F3/RT's have this problem - indicating BRP found and corrected this problem (super!), so one would think they would know at which production unit number (VIN) that there were corrected at factory, and potentially when it started.
One might assume (always dangerous) that my GBPS has not failed after one+ years that I am OK. Will have it checked anyway.
The GBPS has always been a sore spot for me anyway - had to replace it twice in my 2008 Spyder - fortunately failure only caused dash to flash warning light and gear indicator light to show "E." However, Spyder shifted and ran fine - maybe because SM5.
If I knew how to setup a POLL on this forum I would, it would be interesting to find out how many 2105 F3/RT owners were and were not notified by their dealer of this or any other "warranty bulletin." Maybe even a generic poll on notification of warranty bulletins (not warranty recalls).
OK I am done - ranting and raving - not fully awake up all night playing Destiny - please forgive - need more coffee
Leaving post and not deleting just because I think this is a generic issue - BRP warranty bulletin notification method.OOPS! My Bad - just called my dealer - assuming my dealer told me the truth (trust but verify) - According to my dealer this Warranty bulletin identifies F3/RTs by serial numbers that are affected and mine is not one of them - so is there another sheet to this bulletin - if yes please post for verification.
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Cavman
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My dealer took three weeks to send in the paper work on my 2015 Spyder. I figured it was so they could get some sort of end of the month bonus from BRP?
I found this out when I purchased an extended BEST warranty from Bert's Mega Mall for my Spyder RTS.
I also had some sort of transmission problem where the bike would not down shift to first gear. It's luck that the big motor has enough torque to move the bike in forth gear
to get off the road. Long story short, the engine/transmission was not assembled correctly at the factory. When it was opened up, a part fell out. It been behaving OK since the repair
but a few times I have seen 'E' gear displayed when down shifting.
I found this out when I purchased an extended BEST warranty from Bert's Mega Mall for my Spyder RTS.
I also had some sort of transmission problem where the bike would not down shift to first gear. It's luck that the big motor has enough torque to move the bike in forth gear
to get off the road. Long story short, the engine/transmission was not assembled correctly at the factory. When it was opened up, a part fell out. It been behaving OK since the repair
but a few times I have seen 'E' gear displayed when down shifting.
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CharlieIndia
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:agree:
irvin48
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and what year of rt do you have? i wish everyone would put their year and
model in their signature. we all did it on the other forums i was on. whoops,
not all, but most. i tried to post a sig pic too, but somehow it wont take.
Update-2 - Replaced 2015 RT Limited with new unit.
On Saturday the BRP dealer replaced the one week old 2015 RT Limited with a new 2015 RT Limited 2015 RT Limited at not cost to me. Hope we are off to a better start now. First 25 miles no issues. Once I get a few hundred miles on the new RT Limited hope the wife will ride again.
On Saturday the BRP dealer replaced the one week old 2015 RT Limited with a new 2015 RT Limited 2015 RT Limited at not cost to me. Hope we are off to a better start now. First 25 miles no issues. Once I get a few hundred miles on the new RT Limited hope the wife will ride again.
I'm Backlashing
Ann's 2013 ST Limited has and 4 major failures. Stator, regulator, brake light sticking, and A arm bushings/ball joint. The brake light is recurring. After 3 attempts with dealer to get it fixed it's still sticking and causing limp home mode; unsafe! I contacted BRP customer care and they told me to take it back to dealer for diagnoses.
I'm filing a NHTSA complaint. Recommend all others do this to get these things fixed. We may get some needed recalls. Consumer Reports claim 42 out of 100 units fail. This is way to high and the worst in the industry. Suzuki is best at 12 failures per 100. The car industry doesn't tolerate this and you see the recalls. BMW has the second worst, but at least recalls and repairs persistent problems (BMW owners complain more than others).
If something fails putting you on the side of the road within two years and you've been maintaining the Spyder report it to NHTSA and let's get this fixed. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/complaint.cfm
This vehicle is fun and sporty. I hope to help to keep them on the road and try to get BRP's TQM up.
Ann's 2013 ST Limited has and 4 major failures. Stator, regulator, brake light sticking, and A arm bushings/ball joint. The brake light is recurring. After 3 attempts with dealer to get it fixed it's still sticking and causing limp home mode; unsafe! I contacted BRP customer care and they told me to take it back to dealer for diagnoses.
I'm filing a NHTSA complaint. Recommend all others do this to get these things fixed. We may get some needed recalls. Consumer Reports claim 42 out of 100 units fail. This is way to high and the worst in the industry. Suzuki is best at 12 failures per 100. The car industry doesn't tolerate this and you see the recalls. BMW has the second worst, but at least recalls and repairs persistent problems (BMW owners complain more than others). If something fails putting you on the side of the road within two years and you've been maintaining the Spyder report it to NHTSA and let's get this fixed. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/complaint.cfm
This vehicle is fun and sporty. I hope to help to keep them on the road and try to get BRP's TQM up.
BajaRon
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Too bad. The Spyder is an excellent machine. Most are riding trouble free. Go to any forum for any machine and you'll find it can be depressing if you're not looking at it with the right perspective. And that is that forums, such as this one, are not advertising campaigns designed to sell the product. Instead, they are sources of information to get things fixed.
It's like going to an emergency room to decide whether or not you want to be a part of the human experience. The emergency room is where things get fixed. Not the best place to decide whether or not life is worth living.
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robmorg
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...I called I called BRP's Roadside Ass. Service 866-477-1415 gave them my VIN number. Was told they have no record of the VIN being registered and I need to call the dealer. Told BRP R.S.A. the dealer is closed on Sunday & Monday. Was told to call a wrecker myself and then talk to dealer about paying me back.
:agree: I strongly agree with both romaine, the new new owner, and with Ron. As others have said, this is probably not BRP's fault. But the type of reception this brand new owner got on the phone from BRP customer service is sadly all too common. BRP Customer Service most often handles owner problems correctly and fairly in the end. But unfortunately, I've also found that getting to that end can certainly be frustrating, and often requires customers to have an inordinate amount of patience - especially when making the initial phone contact with them. I have often stated the opinion that BRP should undertake some serious training in customer sensitivity with their phone reps, as well as initiate common sense solutions that actually allow their support staff to better support their customer base. Here is just one more example of that need.
To romaine, I would add... Hang in there. Once you learn the ropes of dealing with BRP customer support, it gets better.
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BajaRon
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:agree: There are great dealerships out there that will bend over backwards to make things right. We hear about them occasionally. And I think the negative ratio we see here is probably out of balance with the actual percentage of good to bad dealerships. This kind of negative response to a genuine customer need hurts everyone. It's too bad we can't give appropriate kudos to the good ones and appropriate feedback to the bad ones.
An area in the BRP structure that does need some work.
robmorg
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That's very good news. :thumbup: Best of luck with your wife.
robmorg
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I agree with you. Unfortunately, BRP uses the terms interchangeably. There are no "Service Bulletins" - they are all called "Warranty Bulletins". I believe BRP should issue both... "Service Bulletins" sent to dealers with general information, dealer instructions, etc.; and "Warranty Bulletins" sent to both applicable owners (as determined by VIN#) and dealers that cover items than can potentially have a negative impact on owners.
I realize this is not done in the automotive industry, but the reality in the recreational or sport vehicle industry is that the variance of dealer quality is such that relying on dealers to inform all customers of such issues, does both BRP and their customers a disservice. That will always be the case. I'm truly surprised that BRP does not realize that, and adopt a better approach with respect to their customers. If they do realize it, they seem not to care about it, for some reason known only to them. :dontknow: I suppose they figure it would be a poor strategy from a marketing perspective. If so, I believe they are wrong about that, and that issuing warranty bulletins to affected customers would go a long way toward building brand loyalty for them.
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robmorg
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:agree:
Obviously, Ron is correct. Well said, Ron. :thumbup:
Moxie, you've been monitoring this forum for almost 9 months now, not just two weeks. In all that time, you must have also read enough positive statements about the Can Am Spyder to realize that what Ron says above is true. If you follow the course you just suggested you will not be sorry - but only because you will never realize all the good times you will have missed out on.
I hope you reconsider.
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KUDOS:clap::2thumbs::bowdown::firstplace: to your dealer for being a stand-up dealership. My perspective is that these types of dealerships are far and far between. Hope your new RT Limited is trouble free, and that your wife will come around.
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Sam Mac
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Now this is what I call a stand up dealer! Big thumbs up to this dealer! :thumbup:
My VIN isn't on the list either--according to my dealer---but getting paranoid----
On my New 2015 RT Limited, I asked the dealer to see if my unit is one with a potential problem. They informed me my VIN# is NOT on the list. (Thank God) however, I saw someone else post on here not long ago that their VIN# wasn't on the list at first but when he checked a second time, low and behold his was on the LIST.
Needless to say I am getting nervous and paranoid that my new 2015 might leave us out there somewhere stranded too. Is an un-easy feeling. Between the gear position sensor and the DESS key code --those are two biggies in my book. Just been praying a lot and so far all is good but I only have 700 miles so far on the new unit.
Thank you for the clarification/correction.
My dealer did not notify me to arrange inspection of mine - just last month my 2015 F3-S was at dealer for first service: I asked what warranty/service bulletins and recalls were performed and was told only the frame reinforcement bar (which I previously told them about so parts could be ordered in advance) was done. Need to call them and setup another service visit.
This warranty bulletin states: "All involved customers need to be notified, all involved units must be corrected as per instruction herein." IMHO - this is a strange way to run a business - leaving it up to dealers to inform owners of a "warranty" issue - just like frame reinforcement bar for F3's. Especially for a known potential part failure that can leave one stranded and or in a dangerous highway situation or worse an accident. :gaah:
This is not a service bulletin but a WARRANTY bulletin - All warranty bulletins should be also be sent to owners!:gaah:
The confusing part is that a "limited quantity" of F3/RT's have this problem - indicating BRP found and corrected this problem (super!), so one would think they would know at which production unit number (VIN) that there were corrected at factory, and potentially when it started.
One might assume (always dangerous) that my GBPS has not failed after one+ years that I am OK. Will have it checked anyway.
The GBPS has always been a sore spot for me anyway - had to replace it twice in my 2008 Spyder - fortunately failure only caused dash to flash warning light and gear indicator light to show "E." However, Spyder shifted and ran fine - maybe because SM5.
If I knew how to setup a POLL on this forum I would, it would be interesting to find out how many 2105 F3/RT owners were and were not notified by their dealer of this or any other "warranty bulletin." Maybe even a generic poll on notification of warranty bulletins (not warranty recalls).
OK I am done - ranting and raving - not fully awake up all night playing Destiny - please forgive - need more coffee
OOPS! My Bad - just called my dealer - assuming my dealer told me the truth (trust but verify) - According to my dealer this Warranty bulletin identifies F3/RTs by serial numbers that are affected and mine is not one of them - so is there another sheet to this bulletin - if yes please post for verification.
On my New 2015 RT Limited, I asked the dealer to see if my unit is one with a potential problem. They informed me my VIN# is NOT on the list. (Thank God) however, I saw someone else post on here not long ago that their VIN# wasn't on the list at first but when he checked a second time, low and behold his was on the LIST.
Needless to say I am getting nervous and paranoid that my new 2015 might leave us out there somewhere stranded too. Is an un-easy feeling. Between the gear position sensor and the DESS key code --those are two biggies in my book. Just been praying a lot and so far all is good but I only have 700 miles so far on the new unit.
jaherbst
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Folks if you think this and BRP is bad try buying a Motorhome or Toy Hauler/Travel trailer. I have owned 7 Motorhomes and 2 Toy Haulers. Problems with these products are tenfold compared to BRP products. RV's are not Federally Regulated and one has little recourse in solving problems. BRP is normally pretty good. It is the dealers honesty, morality and desire to please the customer that seems to be the problem here. Most BRP dealers are owned by large conglomerates of automotive origins. (Ride Now Sports--40+ BRP dealerships) Ride Now Sports is owned by Coulter Cadillac. Son-in-Law Bill Nash is CCO. They also own numerous Harley dealers throughout the country. Do you think a large conglomerate like this cares about your little problems?????
BRP gives exclusive Franchises to these large groups because they have deep pockets and can weather the glitch's in the downturn of the economy. This is a fact of life.
I try to build a relationship with someone at these dealers whom you feel you can trust and who will go to bat for you. Of course building a working relationship works two ways.
I don't have all the answers but I know dealing with large corporate Franchises is very frustrating. You need to have a relationship with one standup guy or gal there who will go to bat for you. Normally the Franchise dealer could care less as long as the bottom line is good and BRP cares about how many units they sell.
Bottom line, I have to agree with Ron of Baja Ron Bar Fame. Re read his post.
Jack
BRP gives exclusive Franchises to these large groups because they have deep pockets and can weather the glitch's in the downturn of the economy. This is a fact of life.
I try to build a relationship with someone at these dealers whom you feel you can trust and who will go to bat for you. Of course building a working relationship works two ways.
I don't have all the answers but I know dealing with large corporate Franchises is very frustrating. You need to have a relationship with one standup guy or gal there who will go to bat for you. Normally the Franchise dealer could care less as long as the bottom line is good and BRP cares about how many units they sell.
Bottom line, I have to agree with Ron of Baja Ron Bar Fame. Re read his post.
Jack
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