Exhaust Options

[arntufun]

I hope I have not screwed it up by installing a HMF, a Green Performance air filter and an Evoluzione O2 modifier on my 2011 RS. I let the engine idle for 20 minutes after the install about a month ago.
I have noticed better mid-range performance and a louder better sounding engine. Engine temperature remains as before, no backfiring but low-range response is not as sharp as before. Also, I believe my MPGs were adversely impacted.
I'm hoping my dealer can tune things up in my next service call.
Please tell me I'm OK........

Spyders run lean right out of the box even with a stock exhaust and by adding any type of performance exhaust will make it run more lean. Bottom line is, there are no reported issuses that I'm aware of with a Spyder being damaged by any aftermarket exhaust. Some Spyders and aftermarket exhausts run well with no add on's, some need a 02 mod, some need a juice box. Those are the facts and these posts about the Hindle being the only safe exhaust is not true because the Spyder has no idea if a Hindle is installed or another brand of performance pipe.

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[DragonLorD]

Tralalaaalaaaa

Spyders run lean right out of the box even with a stock exhaust and by adding any type of performance exhaust will make it run more lean. Bottom line is, there are no reported issuses that I'm aware of with a Spyder being damaged by any aftermarket exhaust. Some Spyders and aftermarket exhausts run well with no add on's, some need a 02 mod, some need a juice box. Those are the facts and these posts about the Hindle being the only safe exhaust is not true because the Spyder has no idea if a Hindle is installed or another brand of performance pipe.

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Oh Boy, here we go again :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

The fact that you are not aware of facts is most worrying fact alone :gaah:

Ola Ola everybody with modules and obviously modulle developers and manufacturers, time's up, wrap it , burn it, do whatever you like just get rid of all yours fancy chips and modifiers, we don't need you no more. And you, yes you with that Dyno machine in the corner, you can go too, oh yeah , exhausts, you guys - exhausts manufacturers , you pretty much done too, we don't need no exhausts, we have an ear plugs now - that's only purpose of exhaust right? - keep noise down, WaaaW all that power, can you feel it? All that power , whohooo, hey you guys engine back ends knowledge and all useless stuff, when you all done and gone make sure last one turns the lights off, thank you.

Thank you Arntufun, I so needed to let the steam out today, feels much better now, thanks Bro.
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[NancysToy]

OK fellas, let's all take a deep breath. This issue isn't as clear-cut as we may wish for it to be. Some mufflers that flow a lot still run acceptably on some Spyders...with some riders. The ECM on the Spyder can adjust to some degree for increased flow. The problem is that it reaches its limits quickly, is already programmed to run lean under EPA rules, and that there are a lot of variables in the equation. Each Spyder seems to be a little different, the altitude and air density make a difference, local weather conditions, and the way the rider handles the throttle, as well as how far he turns it. The type of riding matters, too, as well as the average rpm, the load, and the topography. Even a Two Brothers exhaust may work OK for some riders under some conditions, while others have had to add a fuel system modification with even the Hindle. For the most part, the Hindle or an equivalent is about the limit for the majority of Spyders without further modification, and most owners find the TB and its freer flowing kin cause problems for them without added fuel. There is no right answer! All an owner can do is be aware of the probability that he will have to make additional modifications with some exhausts, but which ones stand a better chance of needing nothing more. It is nothing to rear up on your hind legs about.

 

[arntufun]

Thank you Arntufun, I so needed to let the steam out today, feels much better now, thanks Bro.
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Your very welcome my overseas friend. :thumbup: Anytime I can help, just let me know. :roflblack:
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Scotty I think is saying it best. It does not matter what brand of pipe it is, some machines run ok and some don't. In my case, I needed a 02 mod to cure my backfire in mine. Come to think of it, I should unplug that to see how it runs now that I changed my exhaust gaskets. That very well could have been my problem.

 

[DragonLorD]

Your very welcome my overseas friend. :thumbup: Anytime I can help, just let me know. :roflblack:
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......but I fired them all anyway, whole bloody industry I fired!..........did you see it?.......................all gone now, yeah........................sorry folks,...go and get an earplugs....
:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[Blackwidow74]

I had a Hindle and for a long time had it repacked two times. I love the sound of the Hindle but it is poorly made. The Heat shield rattles after a while and the material they use to make the pipe is not good. I now have a Leo Vince, it is a better made pipe and it does not need a juice box. All of the spyder owners I know in CA now have a Leo Vince or a Two Brothers.

 

[KyleKruko44]

Kyle,
You see, purpose of this forum is to help each other . No one knows everything ( except Scotty-NancysToy ).
You came here for advice and you specified clearly what you do or don't want.
As a matter of fact I have to admit that you are interested in answers and you seem to do listen. So, let's have a look again.
Answer is in my thread above - Hindle
There is one on ebay for $399,- , go and get it, sounds nice, performs well, looks sporty, no hassle. Or wait a month till my new exhaust and intake set up is done and I pass you mine for $300,- it has less than 5k done, another 20+ to go
If you are really after performance, then your best option is to get in touch with guys from www.tricled.com - supporting Vendor, and ask them if they can set you up with Two Brothers of your choice and pre-programmed Juice Box either with your current stock air intake or aftermarket high-performance intake they may recommend. I believe that they'll work with you to the best possible and you have it done right, hassle free. If they provide you with exhaust and preprogrammed JuiceBox, you just plug it in all in less than half an hour and happy days here you come.
So which way you going to go Kyle?

after reading everything, i am realizing an exhaust is more complicated than what I was assuming. Ive had my eye on the two bros carbon fiber dual exhaust for awhile now and if that means putting in a JB and filter than so be it. Ill do some shopping around and see who can offer what. I appreciate everyones help.

 

[Questions]

exhaust

Hi everyone,
Well, confusion reigns... I also thought it might have been just a matter of puting a different muffler on and away we go, but no, things become complicated. I was going to put a Yoshimura R77 muffler (silencer) on my 2009 SE5 because it had a great sound and looked great. Does this now mean if I put a Yoshi on, I will need a K&N green or red air filter, then a juice box, then have to get the juice box dialled in to suit the Spyder.
Also can anyone recommend a reliable bike shop/exhaust shop to supply a Yoshi R77 at a reasonable price to be shipped to Australia.
Your input would be appreciated...
Regards
Paul...Radar

 

[NancysToy]

Hi everyone,
Well, confusion reigns... I also thought it might have been just a matter of puting a different muffler on and away we go, but no, things become complicated. I was going to put a Yoshimura R77 muffler (silencer) on my 2009 SE5 because it had a great sound and looked great. Does this now mean if I put a Yoshi on, I will need a K&N green or red air filter, then a juice box, then have to get the juice box dialled in to suit the Spyder.
Also can anyone recommend a reliable bike shop/exhaust shop to supply a Yoshi R77 at a reasonable price to be shipped to Australia.
Your input would be appreciated...
Regards
Paul...Radar

Let's see if I can clarify. Anything you do to increase the intake or exhaust flow will affect the fuel mixture. The Spyder may or may not be able to compensate. If not, a fuel system add-on like the the Juice Box, O2 mod, or Power Commander, is necessary. You may not need to dial the mod in. The O2 mod can't be altered. The JB or PC will work reasonably well if you use a combination that they already have a map for. Adding one item, like a different muffler (silencer) or a high-flow air filter creates a chance that you might also need the fuel mod. Adding both will virtually assure it. I hope that helps.

 

[Yazz]

after reading everything, i am realizing an exhaust is more complicated than what I was assuming. Ive had my eye on the two bros carbon fiber dual exhaust for awhile now and if that means putting in a JB and filter than so be it. Ill do some shopping around and see who can offer what. I appreciate everyones help.

DragonLorD and Scotty are giving you good information. Tricled is the place to go for questions. Good people.

When dealing with exhaust systems, keep three things in mind. Suck (air intake), bang (fuel/air mixture detonation), and blow (exhaust system.) Those three things have to be in balance to keep the engine healthy.

Start with what you want the most. Exhaust... Going back to what Scotty said, put the pipes on and see how the engine runs. Maybe you need something, maybe you don't. The engine will tell you. Backfire means the fuel/air mixture is too lean.

So put the JB on. See how the engine runs. The point is, do one thing at a time. That way, you know what works and what doesn't.

 

[boborgera]

after reading everything, i am realizing an exhaust is more complicated than what I was assuming. Ive had my eye on the two bros carbon fiber dual exhaust for awhile now and if that means putting in a JB and filter than so be it. Ill do some shopping around and see who can offer what. I appreciate everyone's help.

Word of advice, From experience. First pick an exhaust put it on Then run it a while and see how works, Then if needed add on a filter, Then see how it runs, Then go on from there. What i'm saying is don't throw every thing on at once, This way if something go's wrong you'll know exactly which part is the problem. :thumbup:

 

[Farmboy]

Word of advice, From experience. First pick an exhaust put it on Then run it a while and see how works, Then if needed add on a filter, Then see how it runs, Then go on from there. What i'm saying is don't throw every thing on at once, This way if something go's wrong you'll know exactly which part is the problem. :thumbup:

:agree: boborgera hit it on the nail

I have on my RT a Magnaflow muffler and cat bypass, "loud"! then went to a k/n filter. then went with Power Commander with o2 modifier and Autotune. after weeks of tuning she's happy. "Once you start, one thing will lead to another"
Ended up with 114 HP and 97 ft. of torque at the wheel.

 

[Campverdefela]

Let's see if I can clarify. Anything you do to increase the intake or exhaust flow will affect the fuel mixture. The Spyder may or may not be able to compensate. If not, a fuel system add-on like the the Juice Box, O2 mod, or Power Commander, is necessary. You may not need to dial the mod in. The O2 mod can't be altered. The JB or PC will work reasonably well if you use a combination that they already have a map for. Adding one item, like a different muffler (silencer) or a high-flow air filter creates a chance that you might also need the fuel mod. Adding both will virtually assure it. I hope that helps.

Scotty is exactly right as usual and this has shown to be the case as reflected many times here on the forum. Some machines get away with just the hindle [or similar] and no additional mods and some don't, usually require just a 02 modifier.

 

[KyleKruko44]

Thanks for recommending www.tricled.com Dragon. Reggy Tan was a big help. He even took the time to take a video of his own bike so I could get a good look and hear what it sounded like.

 

[DragonLorD]

Sound

Thanks for recommending www.tricled.com Dragon. Reggy Tan was a big help. He even took the time to take a video of his own bike so I could get a good look and hear what it sounded like.

TOOOLD YA.
Biker to Biker , Kyle , Biker to Biker, and Reggy is very much the same Pal. Reggy does no excuses, Reggy does the help, I only wish that all the Vendors would be the same.

Enjoy the excitement Kyle and keep us posted, you helped a lot of guys just by coming here and asking questions
Ryde Safe Bro
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[spyderman526]

juice box and exnaust

now here is my two cents i have a 2011 rss the dealer now not me installed my tb exhaust i rode it hard for a week and i mean hard raced it at the drag strip 1/8 mile checked fuel mileage a little better then my K&n filter came in i asked the tec did i need a tuner he said no to put it in it would be fine so i did ran it hard again more drage strip time as well as some top speed runs it ran better and it had no problems nothing then i made a custom duel exhaust from a seconed two bro exhaust system i have exhaust on both sides of the bike looks cool and sounds awsome when i put that on i installed a juice box pro (part#tbr001-229it fits 08-11 spyders) and put it on tune #3 and pow it runs awsome more power more torque more top end havent went to the drag strip yet going to put a belt roller kit first and fuel milage is really good i have goten my first over 40mpg tank and i was playing around some on that tank as well going to see if i can get a 200mile tank this weekend well thats my two cents the dealer i use id central fl power sports in kissimmee special thanks to justin good friend and tec there as well as the parts dep for helping me get all my parts and jason ennis for the great deal and the shirt off his back lol :bowdown:hyea:

 

[hecoon]

exhaust options

I put a magna flow glasspack(auto) on my rs.
i havent done anything else to it and it runs fine and is very loud.
62k and still running strong.
total cost $65
also running kuhmo on the rear and bridgestones on the front
just changed the rear and i got 20k from the original and 42k on the kuhmo

 

[DragonLorD]

How?

now here is my two cents i have a 2011 rss the dealer now not me installed my tb exhaust i rode it hard for a week and i mean hard raced it at the drag strip 1/8 mile checked fuel mileage a little better then my K&n filter came in i asked the tec did i need a tuner he said no to put it in it would be fine so i did ran it hard again more drage strip time as well as some top speed runs it ran better and it had no problems nothing then i made a custom duel exhaust from a seconed two bro exhaust system i have exhaust on both sides of the bike looks cool and sounds awsome when i put that on i installed a juice box pro (part#tbr001-229it fits 08-11 spyders) and put it on tune #3 and pow it runs awsome more power more torque more top end havent went to the drag strip yet going to put a belt roller kit first and fuel milage is really good i have goten my first over 40mpg tank and i was playing around some on that tank as well going to see if i can get a 200mile tank this weekend well thats my two cents the dealer i use id central fl power sports in kissimmee special thanks to justin good friend and tec there as well as the parts dep for helping me get all my parts and jason ennis for the great deal and the shirt off his back lol :bowdown:hyea:

Well , first I congratulating you to achieved performance and great Dealership, I hear all good things about Kissimmee Guys.
Everything about your set up makes perfect sense, even add on a performance filter afterwards without remaping might work, your tech obviously knows so no worries there.
One thing my brain only can't process - increased mpg? How is that possible ?
You enriched mixture - increase juice feed , gained power - that's just logical when you add juice , right? , how on earth did you manage your mpg to go up? - miscalculation ?
:dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow:

 

[Questions]

Exhaust options

Hi everyone,
Thanks for all of the interesting comments and tips, I'll go the way that was suggested, Silencer first and see how it runs, then possibly O2, then filter etc.
Regards
Paul...Radar

 

[Farmboy]

Well , first I congratulating you to achieved performance and great Dealership, I hear all good things about Kissimmee Guys.
Everything about your set up makes perfect sense, even add on a performance filter afterwards without remaping might work, your tech obviously knows so no worries there.
One thing my brain only can't process - increased mpg? How is that possible ?
You enriched mixture - increase juice feed , gained power - that's just logical when you add juice , right? , how on earth did you manage your mpg to go up? - miscalculation ?
:dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow:

In a nut shell. The cleaner the burn at 13.2 to 13.6 air/ fual ratio, the more-the most 'power that the engen can pump out' you will get better mpg. How? you dont have to twest the throttal as far to keep the wheels rolling. I know its hard for me to under stand some times too.