Error Codes have showed up!

[Bob Denman]

Thanks Bob! :thumbup:
Waylon died from diabetic complications about 9 or 10 years ago I think... and too young!

 

[Lamonster]

Does the throttle body replacement apply to 2010 Rt , I thought that it applies to just 2011 Rt models? :dontknow:

There is a software patch for the 2011 that do not apply to the 2010 because the 2010 is not holding the throttle plates closed for 40 min.

If you have a problem with your throttle body then that would be covered if it was a mechanical problem and you were still in warranty.

 

[Radthorne]

Well. My RT's been bitten by the throttle body bug, even though it supposedly had the bulletin fix already done prior to delivery (I picked up the bike fresh out of the crate in early July). After the 600 mile service, I kept getting a Check Engine light on cold start up, along with rough running. But the computer wasn't storing the P1614 code that I was bringing up on the screen. I had been able to get the Check Engine to clear by turning off the bike and letting the screen clear to black and then re-starting. But this morning, it wouldn't clear after six tries, and kept running rough or shutting itself off. Had to leave him in the garage and drive the car to work. :sour:

Went home at lunch and tried again, got a couple more bad starts, but finally got a clean start. Rode it up to the dealer, and this time the P1614 codes were stored. They called BRP and they said yep, bad throttle body and it has to be replaced. Bad news is, they have no idea when the new throttle bodies will come in. I asked about swapping a throttle body from a bike on the floor, but the dealer said the new part has supeceded the old part (which at least probably means BRP has actually made a physical fix), so BRP won't let them use a part off an existing bike.

Since my dealer is not one of the top ones, they're not high on the list for getting replacement parts. And once they get the new throttle body, it's a six hour job to replace it. Nor has my dealer had any throttle body issues before, so they've never replaced one... I get to be the first.

So... looks like I'm gonna miss a good chunk of the best riding weather... :gaah:

 

[Lamonster]

Well. My RT's been bitten by the throttle body bug, even though it supposedly had the bulletin fix already done prior to delivery (I picked up the bike fresh out of the crate in early July). After the 600 mile service, I kept getting a Check Engine light on cold start up, along with rough running. But the computer wasn't storing the P1614 code that I was bringing up on the screen. I had been able to get the Check Engine to clear by turning off the bike and letting the screen clear to black and then re-starting. But this morning, it wouldn't clear after six tries, and kept running rough or shutting itself off. Had to leave him in the garage and drive the car to work. :sour:

Went home at lunch and tried again, got a couple more bad starts, but finally got a clean start. Rode it up to the dealer, and this time the P1614 codes were stored. They called BRP and they said yep, bad throttle body and it has to be replaced. Bad news is, they have no idea when the new throttle bodies will come in. I asked about swapping a throttle body from a bike on the floor, but the dealer said the new part has supeceded the old part (which at least probably means BRP has actually made a physical fix), so BRP won't let them use a part off an existing bike.

Since my dealer is not one of the top ones, they're not high on the list for getting replacement parts. And once they get the new throttle body, it's a six hour job to replace it. Nor has my dealer had any throttle body issues before, so they've never replaced one... I get to be the first.

So... looks like I'm gonna miss a good chunk of the best riding weather... :gaah:

Why not just come back when they have the throttle body in stock? Mine has done the same thing twice and I still put over 8,000 miles on it since the first time and 3,000 since the second time. I wouldn't let it sit has long as it cleared itself up.

 

[Radthorne]

Why not just come back when they have the throttle body in stock? Mine has done the same thing twice and I still put over 8,000 miles on it since the first time and 3,000 since the second time. I wouldn't let it sit has long as it cleared itself up.

I may do that; I was just concerned about it going out completely and going into limp mode or something while out in the backwoods somewhere and having to tow it back. But sounds like it'll last for a while (I only have less than 1000 miles on the machine so far, so not likely to hit your numbers before the new throttle body shows up...)

 

[NancysToy]

I did about 3,000 on mine after the codes started to appear, including finishing the Maggie Valley trip...and the 2011s had the added difficulty of holding the throttle body closed. I will admit to being nervous, but if the code came up, I shut it off and removed the key, letting it shut down, then rest about 30 seconds before I rebooted. It never let me down. I will admit to breathing easier since they replaced the throttle body, though.

 

[Radthorne]

I did about 3,000 on mine after the codes started to appear, including finishing the Maggie Valley trip...and the 2011s had the added difficulty of holding the throttle body closed. I will admit to being nervous, but if the code came up, I shut it off and removed the key, letting it shut down, then rest about 30 seconds before I rebooted. It never let me down. I will admit breathing easier since they replaced the throttle body, though.

Good to know, thank you!

 

[dancogan]

Just a word of caution: my 2010 RT showed that code and I was able to start it a few more times and ride. Then it just wouldn't start or would die almost immediately. It did finally have to be towed in ... just a warning.

The dealer said the problem was with the throttle position sensor, which was on back order, so they replaced the entire throttle body and got me back on the road in 5 days.

 

[Lamonster]

Just a word of caution: my 2010 RT showed that code and I was able to start it a few more times and ride. Then it just wouldn't start or would die almost immediately. It did finally have to be towed in ... just a warning.

The dealer said the problem was with the throttle position sensor, which was on back order, so they replaced the entire throttle body and got me back on the road in 5 days.

The code will say it's the TPS but it's the throttle body.

 

[Bob Denman]

Thanks for mentioning the warranty factor lamont... :thumbup: George had me a bit worried... :shocked:

 

[Marker]

There is a software patch for the 2011 that do not apply to the 2010 because the 2010 is not holding the throttle plates closed for 40 min.

If you have a problem with your throttle body then that would be covered if it was a mechanical problem and you were still in warranty.

Thanks Lamont, I am having no problems with throttle bodies. I thought the campaign was for 2011 RT's. I am lucky as my dealership's young mechanic eats and breaths spyders and is on top of most recall info. He is a great 24 yr old mechanic.

 

[gypsy_100]

2011 TB's

So are you saying in addition to the software patch, which is taken care of before my '11 was delivered, there's also been a change to the throttle body itself, i.e. the bushing coating? And in the latter case BRP is not preemptively changing out the TB's but waiting until you have a problem and getting the error code? Hope this is a rare event or we're all just waiting for failure to occur. Any idea what production dates may have come with the new throttle bodies from the factory?

 

[NancysToy]

So are you saying in addition to the software patch, which is taken care of before my '11 was delivered, there's also been a change to the throttle body itself, i.e. the bushing coating? And in the latter case BRP is not preemptively changing out the TB's but waiting until you have a problem and getting the error code? Hope this is a rare event or we're all just waiting for failure to occur. Any idea what production dates may have come with the new throttle bodies from the factory?

The update should prevent the problem in Spyders that have not exhibited it previously. No guarantees, but since the 2010 Spyder had the same TB, it is highly likely that it will work just fine. They changed the throttle plate programming on the 2011 to take care of the 2010 hot restart problem, and went a bit too far. If the throttle plate was held shut on a hot engine, when the engine cooled, it could stick. They eased off the agle so it would not do that. I wouldn't lose any sleep over this. All products undergo small changes and improvements during production. It doesn't mean the earlier versions were bad...just that the later ones may be better.

 

[Radthorne]

Just a follow-up on my throttle body issue that I mentioned in this thread (since often we hear of the problem but not necessarily the end result...). I did take Lamont and Scotty's advice and continued to ride the bike while waiting for the throttle body to arrive, which took about a week. Pretty much every time I started it cold, it would do a Check Engine at least once, and usually two or three times, but then finally clear. It ran pretty rich when it did finally start. However, aside from that, once running without the Check Engine light it behaved perfectly normally, and stopped and re-started fine throughout the day as long as it didn't sit for several hours and go cold. I finally took it up to the dealer yesterday, as the part came in (and of course, this time, he almost didn't start - took about ten tries... but he did finally get going).

Dealer got it all fixed up today and I drove it home, all seems normal so far. I'll go out in the morning and start him up and hopefully he'll be back to his old self. I'll let you know of any further issues related to it, but hopefully this one's done for me.

 

[bikeguy]

:yikes: That's not really what I had been hoping to hear...
By the way; Who wrote that song about Luckenbach?

The song was recorded by Waylon Jennings but was actually written by Chips Moman and Bobby Emmons.

Cotton