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Elka Stage 1+R

Ryblueyez

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Hey everyone,
Last weekend, I installed the Elka stage 1+R on my 2010 RT-S. These were used from a member on this site. I did everything as suggested, but now I need help adjusting them because know i feel every bump on the road. I tried to PM Trooper like 4 days ago, but have gotten no response. Could anyone else here help me out? Right now I have 5" between the very top thread and the very top of the adjustment collar. I also am not sure how to adjust there rebound... New-be problems!
:banghead::pray:
 
Can you jack the front of your bike up, and measure the "unloaded" length of the springs? The top ring has an allen bolt in it that loacks it in place...
You stick that piece of round stock in one of the holes in it, to spin the ring to make adjustments to the preload.
About three full turns should give you about a quarter inch change in your preload; that's a pretty nice starting point... Tinker with it until you feel more comfy! Ride it a fair distance before making another change; it may take a while to let things take a set...
Of course; :lecturef_smilie: make SURE that both sides are adjusted equally
 
This is what I found best on my RS for normal roads -Rebound Adjustment!!!
1-Turn each rebound knob ALL the way Clockwise! (While shocks are on bike!)
2- Now turn each rebound knob 15 clicks counterclockwise and go for a ride? Bet you like it!!

If your going to b e on Very Bumpy roads turn them 20-22 clicks Counterclockwise.
 
This is what I found best on my RS for normal roads -Rebound Adjustment!!!
1-Turn each rebound knob ALL the way Clockwise! (While shocks are on bike!)
2- Now turn each rebound knob 15 clicks counterclockwise and go for a ride? Bet you like it!!

If your going to b e on Very Bumpy roads turn them 20-22 clicks Counterclockwise.

Can you take a picture of the rebound adjust knob? Because the one I adjusted (at the bottom of the shock that takes a 3mm Allen wrench) turns like a regular screw, but doesn't make any "click"
 
Can you take a picture of the rebound adjust knob? Because the one I adjusted (at the bottom of the shock that takes a 3mm Allen wrench) turns like a regular screw, but doesn't make any "click"

Suggest you study Post #3 with the Elka link because I think your shocks may be different or Call Elka Monday Morning!
Good Luck!!!
 
Can you take a picture of the rebound adjust knob? Because the one I adjusted (at the bottom of the shock that takes a 3mm Allen wrench) turns like a regular screw, but doesn't make any "click"


If you "are feeling every bump" and the collar with the Allen set screw is on the bottom, then it sounds like you installed them upside down.

You can see the black damping knob just above the lower shock mounting bolt in the pic

Here is is a link to my install post: http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?28857-SteveMac-Mods&p=328127&viewfull=1#post328127

Your coil springs and damping knob should be on the bottom as shown below.
 

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Harder is harder :)

Hey everyone,
Last weekend, I installed the Elka stage 1+R on my 2010 RT-S. These were used from a member on this site. I did everything as suggested, but now I need help adjusting them because know i feel every bump on the road. I tried to PM Trooper like 4 days ago, but have gotten no response. Could anyone else here help me out? Right now I have 5" between the very top thread and the very top of the adjustment collar. I also am not sure how to adjust there rebound... New-be problems!
:banghead::pray:

The purpose of suspension is to allow the wheel(s) to move up and down over bumps without transmitting the movement to the chassis. Soft springs ==> smooth ride, increasing stiffness ==> more 'bump' transmitted to the frame/rider. Suspension 'tuning' is a lot of tradeoffs between handling and ride comfort. So presuming you got them installed correctly - here goes.

Ride harshness is a function of spring rate and compression. Softer is softer and harder is - well- harder.

Stiffer spring rate ==> harder ride. Ultimate 'stiff shock/spring' ==> hardtail motorcycle :( Oh my aching behind. LOL Higher compression numbers ==> harder ride.

Also tire inflation does affect the overall spring rate. Tire sidewall flex is about 2% of overall spring rate. so again harder = harder as more pressure make the tire harder to compress. You might try adjusting the pressures down (within mfgr limits) if you are running on the high end.

Rebound controls how quickly the shock allows the suspension to return downward. If rebound is too 'tight' it will not allow the wheel to get back to surface quickly enough which results in loss of contact with the road. The Spyder will tend to skip and hop across the road. This is no fun particularly if it turns in to 'chatter.' Skipping in the middle of a turn is very *unnerving*:yikes::yikes:

preload is used to adjust ride height when a stiffer spring is used than what is stock. When you use a stiffer spring the weight of the vehicle does not compress the new stiff spring as much as it would a softer spring so ride height goes up. Returning to correct ride height is achieved when the new springs are preloaded/compressed to correct height with the preload ring. Preloading a spring does not change it's rate (if it is a linear spring).

My understanding is that Elka puts custom spring rates (generally considerably stiffer - see their thread on 2013 RT shock development) on its shocks which are tailored to the rider weight and riding style (solo/2up) when they are ordered/built. I agree you should contact Elka. You got these used so perhaps they can assist you in 'recustomizing' the springs to a rate that better suits your style of riding. I presume they serialize and record what was actually built into the shocks.

Bottom line on the Stage 1's compression is preset so changing rebound/preload is not likely to get rid of your ride comfort not suiting your derriere :).

A call to Elka customer support definitely the order of the day.
 
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start by jacking weight off front end ,measure spring adjust collartill spring is 9inches take it for a ride go from there. go 2-3 turns tgte or loosr as needed
 
Link to Adjustment Process

Hey everyone,
Last weekend, I installed the Elka stage 1+R on my 2010 RT-S. These were used from a member on this site. I did everything as suggested, but now I need help adjusting them because know i feel every bump on the road. I tried to PM Trooper like 4 days ago, but have gotten no response. Could anyone else here help me out? Right now I have 5" between the very top thread and the very top of the adjustment collar. I also am not sure how to adjust there rebound... New-be problems!
:banghead::pray:

This is a follow on post to the one I made yesterday concerning suspension and suspension tuning. It is very well written and explains all the parameters in the suspension and how to set them up. It is motorcycle focused as well.

http://www.bikerenews.com/Stories_Archives/Motorcycle_suspension/Motorcycle Suspension.htm

Take a look it will get you a better idea of where to start, how each part of the suspension works and what happens when you 'crank' the various adjustments. The key to all this IMO is to make sure you are only changing one parameter (setting) at a time. I am playing with the suspension on my 2013 RTS in this manner one change then evaluate then next change. Getting to feel right is a personal thing and takes several iterations.

If you would post your weight, riding style (aggressive, cruiser,etc) solo/2up then someone with a similar profile can give you a better starting point. Again I think Elka takes all this into consideration when they build the shock including setting the preload and rebound so the product is a 'bolt on' when it gets to the original user. I would be persistent in getting to them - may save you a lot of 'twiddling.' :)

Good luck!
 
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