Electric vehicles and the Grid

[UtahPete]

I would add my 2 cents here. But if I said what I wanted, I'd probably get banned! And, knowing the rules, probably for good reason. But I will say that America was built on independence, self reliance and Liberty. As we trade these values for promises of security and handouts from the Government. We will lose much more than our greatness.

I agree, Ron. I'm not sure how it relates to electric vehicles though.

 

[bikerbillone]

Pete, just referring to your comment #8, nothing more nothing less. I read it as throwing shade at hybrids, if not, then we are done.

 

[UtahPete]

Pete, just referring to your comment #8, nothing more nothing less. I read it as throwing shade at hybrids, if not, then we are done.

No, actually I have been looking long and hard at hybrids, but they just don't meet my needs. So, for now I'll stick with our one vehicle (4-cyl diesel Canyon) and the Spyders.

 

[BajaRon]

I agree, Ron. I'm not sure how it relates to electric vehicles though.

1. Governments around the World want to force manufactures to produce EV's and for you to drive them.
2. EV's were languishing on the shelf because people (with freedom to choose) did not want them.
3. Governments shut off a huge majority of petroleum resources. (Artificially limiting this option)
4. Price of petroleum products shoots up. (Econ 101)
5. EV's and Hybrids are now selling like hotcakes.
6. Mission accomplished.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Good one BahaRon, most of us here have, at least I think so, have the same thoughts, just can't express them!

:agree: X's 100 :clap: ...... Mike :thumbup:

 

[UtahPete]

1. Governments around the World want to force manufactures to produce EV's and for you to drive them.
2. EV's were languishing on the shelf because people (with freedom to choose) did not want them.
3. Governments shut off a huge majority of petroleum resources. (Artificially limiting this option)
4. Price of petroleum products shoots up. (Econ 101)
5. EV's and Hybrids are now selling like hotcakes.
6. Mission accomplished.

I would agree, except that there's no infrastructure yet for EVs, so people like me who would like to be able to exercise our right to choose EVs still cannot do so.

 

[UtahPete]

First of all I'm 70, but not brain dead yet.
every one seems to forget, most electricity comes from col and Nat'l Gas fired plants. There are very few water Hydro electric plants like Niagara, Tenn. Valley Auth, various dams. Windmills let down Texas last year. Nuke Plant seemingly can't be run properly without retired USN Personnel. Break downs and leaks don't often happen on USN ships.

Wake up Washington....electric for the majority of cars is usually made by coal/gas fired plants, not windmills. Electric cars cost way more that their gasoline competitors. No one poor or on Social Security can dream of affording one. And replacing batteries every 2 years is 2-3 grand.

I have a 2012 Mustang, paid for, love it. Rarely drive it these days as it only gets 20-21 mpg in city. My Spyder gets 30-31 in city. As an old widower living alone, I use the 4 cargo bays for weekly grocery runs and visits to various doctors (Main Md, heart, kidney, vascular, DDS, ENT,). When offered a multi bike ride thru country side, I use to say YES 90% of the time...now it's looking at the distance, looking at the bank account, looking at the wallet, looking at the charge card, FIRST.

I'm 75 and a former USN nuclear power plant operator. The biggest mistake we ever made as a country in the clean energy generation equation was abandoning nuclear power as a solution. Ironic that the ones crying the loudest about our over-reliance on dirty fossil fuels are the same ones who shut down the nuclear power industry as unsafe and detrimental to the environment (remember the nuclear powered commercial ship 'Savannah'? )

There's enough blame to go around for the current sad state of affairs with the environment and global warming. But assigning blame doesnt solve anything. How do we fix it?

 

[Lew L]

1. Governments around the World want to force manufactures to produce EV's and for you to drive them.
2. EV's were languishing on the shelf because people (with freedom to choose) did not want them.
3. Governments shut off a huge majority of petroleum resources. (Artificially limiting this option)
4. Price of petroleum products shoots up. (Econ 101)
5. EV's and Hybrids are now selling like hotcakes.
6. Mission accomplished.

I hate being a "subject" of the government, but we are. I'm keeping my poor, old, slow V-Max and my poor, old, slow Magnum R/T till they" take them out of my cold dead hands".

 

[wyliec]

I would agree, except that there's no infrastructure yet for EVs, so people like me who would like to be able to exercise our right to choose EVs still cannot do so.

You mean something like this?

https://www.tesla.com/supercharger

I wonder if the connector is the same for all EV's?

There are a number of them at area malls. Just never seen a vehicle connected.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

You mean something like this?

https://www.tesla.com/supercharger

I wonder if the connector is the same for all EV's?

There are a number of them at area malls. Just never seen a vehicle connected.

It seem to happen Often, however the charging plugs / receptacles maybe an industry Standard size / shape etc...... If not there is going to be heck of an issue .... I do realize there are a couple of different amounts of POWER that can be used for the power .... I'm not familiar enough to say fore sure how that is done .... JMHO .... Mike :thumbup:

 

[UtahPete]

You mean something like this?

https://www.tesla.com/supercharger

I wonder if the connector is the same for all EV's?

There are a number of them at area malls. Just never seen a vehicle connected.

As I understand it, Tesla is taking the proprietary approach to its products. Much like Apple has always done. Their charging station network is only available in limited, densely populated areas and along major freeways. And, they're unique to Tesla's cars (I believe; this marketplace is constantly evolving, just like personal computers and cell phones back in the day)

 

[UtahPete]

I hate being a "subject" of the government, but we are. I'm keeping my poor, old, slow V-Max and my poor, old, slow Magnum R/T till they" take them out of my cold dead hands".

'Know your place, knave, or I'll have ye drawn and quartered"

 

[UtahPete]

It seem to happen Often, however the charging plugs / receptacles maybe an industry Standard size / shape etc...... If not there is going to be heck of an issue .... I do realize there are a couple of different amounts of POWER that can be used for the power .... I'm not familiar enough to say fore sure how that is done .... JMHO .... Mike :thumbup:

I think you're on to something, Mike. Currently there doesn't seem to be a universal standard in the fast charging stations. Tesla's network can't be used by non-Tesla EVs, so those EVs are limited in range to within some radius of the owner's home, with overnight charging. Long-haul trucks are currently out of the question without a nationwide network of fast charging stations.

 

[wyliec]

I think you're on to something, Mike. Currently there doesn't seem to be a universal standard in the fast charging stations. Tesla's network can't be used by non-Tesla EVs, so those EVs are limited in range to within some radius of the owner's home, with overnight charging. Long-haul trucks are currently out of the question without a nationwide network of fast charging stations.

Would you believe the connection for charging is the same for Tesla and non-Tesla vehicles? If you want to know more, read this:

https://www.tesla.com/support/non-tesla-supercharging

What bothers me is, why not have the U.S. as one of the test markets? Do you think now that your statement in bold is incorrect?

 

[UtahPete]

Maybe they just need to put the bunny on steroids
https://images.app.goo.gl/A8hauzHsnziH38nf7

 

[UtahPete]

Would you believe the connection for charging is the same for Tesla and non-Tesla vehicles? If you want to know more, read this:

https://www.tesla.com/support/non-tesla-supercharging

Do you think now that your statement in bold is incorrect?

No, I think not...just confirms what I said, I think...

Where is the pilot currently live?
The Non-Tesla Supercharger pilot is currently available for Supercharging stations in the following countries:

France
The Netherlands
Norway
UK
Spain
Sweden
Belgium
Austria

 

[hut1]

There's a lot of misinformation out there regarding EV's and hybrids, i.e. true range, battery life, charging availability, etc. Consider the source of the information because many espouse only what supports their agenda.

 

[UtahPete]

There's a lot of misinformation out there regarding EV's and hybrids, i.e. true range, battery life, charging availability, etc. Consider the source of the information because many espouse only what supports their agenda.

I don't understand why there would be private agendas at all. This is a very public issue.

 

[wyliec]

No, I think not...just confirms what I said, I think...

Where is the pilot currently live?
The Non-Tesla Supercharger pilot is currently available for Supercharging stations in the following countries:

France
The Netherlands
Norway
UK
Spain
Sweden
Belgium
Austria

You read the article? Can you point out where it states the charging connection is different? I see where it requires an App to be compatible with non-Tesla vehicles, in the countries you listed.

 

[UtahPete]

You read the article? Can you point out where it states the charging connection is different? I see where it requires an App to be compatible with non-Tesla vehicles, in the countries you listed.

It doesn't talk about the connections at all that I can see. There's more to universality than the connections.