ECU Flash---Who has ORDERED YET?

[Hypurone]

Wow:2thumbs::cheers::yes:. Thanks Monster Fuel Injection. Would do it again. Comes alive at 5k. Seems chrisper all around.

That's odd. According to the tuner you should be able to "access" the modded tune at any rpm by exceeding 60% throttle.... Is this not the case?

 

[one2doo]

That's odd. According to the tuner you should be able to "access" the modded tune at any rpm by exceeding 60% throttle.... Is this not the case?

Its normal till you grab the throttle and hit 5000 rpm and gone. The way you want it. Not stupid from the start.

 

[Bob Denman]

So if you need it: drop a gear or two, and you're GONE! :2thumbs:

 

[Spyd_Piper]

That's odd. According to the tuner you should be able to "access" the modded tune at any rpm by exceeding 60% throttle.... Is this not the case?

F3 already has more "allowed" low rpm torque output than RT.

Plus, with the hit above 5000, it makes it a lot harder to notice the bottom improvement. As thats the instant wow. But high gear roll on's will show the low rpm differences.

 

[Spyd_Piper]

Wow:2thumbs::cheers::yes:. Thanks Monster Fuel Injection. Would do it again. Comes alive at 5k. Seems chrisper all around.

Glad you enjoy too. :cheers:

 

[spyderman33]

Hi
My friends workshop is in Egg Harbour township.
Im hoping to have Chris up and running with in the next month, so customers will be able to send ecu's to him or take their bike to him and he will remap straight away via Can over the diagnostic plug.
Thanks
Jason

Now that's good news for the states!

 

[spyderman33]

ECU is not potted or encapsulated in any way. It is manufactured in 2 pieces with a case, and a header that connect to circuit board. Mated with a rubber gasket and 6 metal clips holding it.
Not sure what ecu the previous cutting and glueing comment was about. Other than an attempt to claim one way was better than other. Which it isn't.

There is only 2 ways to modify this ecu.
1 - Canbus - Through a program which handshakes and meets security that put the ecu into update mode and allow a new file to be installed. This can be counted and tracked. All right in the ecu. (And even dash)
2 - Putting the ecu brain (mcu) into update mode using a ground connection on the circuit board itself. No canbus program or security issues. No counting or tracking. But access into is needed.

The ecu was built (put together) as it was made. There is no difference the second time. (or any amount of times) There is nothing cut. Nothing glued. The same gasket is used. Or can be reapplied. And its the same as the original.

Whats easier for BRP - for dealer to remove and send ecu in for inspection - or to connect BUDS, download file and send for inspection? Or advanced dealers can inspect both file and physical ecu.
Regardless of that - all a dealer needs to do is drive a bike with Monster Fi programming and they know. No doubt about it. They are either thinking its engine work or something very different.

However, in either case of how its programmed. And the extent of end power result. If one is worried about warranty. Stay stock. Always assume that BRP can know. Modifying your cat or exhaust or ecu or adding a tuner or doing engine work (even airbox modifications) can all be grounds for a denial of some claim if the failure can be traced to any said modification.

I agree, not only do I have a factory warranty currently but I have an extended warranty. At the end of the day, one must choose. If you worried just don't do it. For me its a gamble but I chose to take it because it won't kill me either way. Playing it safe has never really gotten me far, but taking risk has. Just my take...

 

[spyderman33]

So if you need it: drop a gear or two, and you're GONE! :2thumbs:

Now this guy gets it! :clap:

 

[Hypurone]

Its normal till you grab the throttle and hit 5000 rpm and gone. The way you want it. Not stupid from the start.

But that is half the fun!! hyea:

 

[Bob Denman]

"Not stupid from the start"...

But that is half the fun!! hyea:

Since I'm "All Stupid: All The Time": I can more than make up the difference! :roflblack:

 

[Yukonf3]

backpressure

The spyder back pressure changes within the stock rpm usable range are not all that drastic.

This is true up to 5000 rpm. After that the stock system becomes progressively restrictive under WOT to redline. I consistently measured it at over 3.5 psi. A Two Bros exhaust, in comparison, registered about .5 psi under the same conditions. If the ECU can be mapped to accommodate that change, that would be great.

 

[Dennis in Lodi]

Two Brother Exhaust with P1 insert

I have my RT flashed with the 8,600 rpm rev limit. I use Lamont's cat delete with the sound insert, Two brothers Exhaust with the P1 performance tip. My bike pulls so hard after 5,000 rpm that I can't believe it's the same bike. Check out this video of my test RT bike. https://monsterfuelinjection.com/spyder/ It show my RT going from 0 to 90 mph in about 10 seconds as it still has the stock speed limits in place.
Notice how one of the three speed runs the nanny didn't kick in, and my front end unloads and floats. Also notice at the end of the video for the roll on test where I say and show 5,000 rpm to 7,000 rpm roll on. I'm accelerating from 48 mph to 88 mph in 8 seconds shifting at only 7,000 rpm which is well short of peak power at 8,600 rpm. This is where the Stage One Monster flash really shines. My pathetic stock RT times were only getting to less than 70 mph with the same test. Blows me away that a flash gets that much performance.

This is true up to 5000 rpm. After that the stock system becomes progressively restrictive under WOT to redline. I consistently measured it at over 3.5 psi. A Two Bros exhaust, in comparison, registered about .5 psi under the same conditions. If the ECU can be mapped to accommodate that change, that would be great.

 

[Dennis in Lodi]

My dealer has my back

I took my Monster fuel flash bike to my dealer and told the service manager the throttle is sticking at 8,600. After a puzzled look he grinned from ear to ear and took my RT for a test ride. 2 & 1/2 hours later after every service tech went for a ride and the guessing game began. Only two of the four techs made it past 7,500 rpm and all four were certain I did head work.
When I asked the manager if my warranty was now void, he said " Relax Dennis, the customer pays our bills here not Can-am". It would be a pretty foolish business decision to throw a well known customer under the warranty bus.

I agree, not only do I have a factory warranty currently but I have an extended warranty. At the end of the day, one must choose. If you worried just don't do it. For me its a gamble but I chose to take it because it won't kill me either way. Playing it safe has never really gotten me far, but taking risk has. Just my take...

 

[DriftersWay]

I got 2 more questions:

1 if my bike goes into the shop for maintenance and they do an update with BUDS,
would that erase my flash??

2 Right now I normally shift around 3500 RPM. Would flashing my ECU change my normal
shift pattern??

Thanks

 

[jcthorne]

I got 2 more questions:

1 if my bike goes into the shop for maintenance and they do an update with BUDS,
would that erase my flash??

2 Right now I normally shift around 3500 RPM. Would flashing my ECU change my normal
shift pattern??

Thanks

1. Yes but Monster will re-do it for you if required. Do not have the dealer reflash.

2. No, for normal driving there will be no change in shift point as the engine will behave at low throttle position the same as it always has.

 

[HayRog]

When I asked the manager if my warranty was now void, he said " Relax Dennis, the customer pays our bills here not Can-am". It would be a pretty foolish business decision to throw a well known customer under the warranty bus.

Marina Boats and Powersports ?

 

[NVERLAST1]

Once more people have these running around we will need a real comparison between Jase and Monster Fuel Injection. Then those of us interested can make an educated decision.

Bump....Any updates on which one is better?

 

[nealperkins]

Yes, I'd like to know as well as I will shortly use the monster option if we don't hear back.
Thanks!

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Marina Boats and Powersports ?

Not Lodi California. I think Dennis is in Wisconsin!

 

[Wildrice]

And, if you have received the unit back, what was your whole experience like? I'd like to know more about disassembly to get to the ECU, shipping, total order turn around, other issues, etc.
Maybe you could also comment on what parameters you ordered on the ECU as well?
Thanks!

I've had mine remapped by Monster Fuel almost 2 months ago. I had the rev limiter changed to 8600, gas in my area is 93 octane. My 2015 F3's SE6 performance has increased--I really notice it in 1st thru 4th gear--traffic congestion in my area prevents top end testing--I've had it to 110 mph in 5th.

I've done a fair amount of ECU or ECM modification on the Suzuki Hayabusa. Basically we changed the Air to Fuel ratio, timing, & top RPM limit. There is a lot that can be modified--on the Hayabusa we removed all the Add on stuff--Power Commander, shift time delay module--Top Speed Restrictor. The Spyder doesn't need all possible ECM changes due to basic design. As time progresses we may see a few using NOS (Nitrous), turbo or supercharger. At that time ECM adjustment will become necessary & I'm sure Monster Fuel will be up for the task. All in all it cost approx $400 to gain some HP & torque--that's a real good deal considering the other add ons I've installed--F&R Elka Shocks, suspension, lighting, seat gel/padding, windshield --appearance mods--I haven't added up my total upgrade costs but I'd guess they would exceed $3000 excluding the BRP stuff like saddle bags, back rests. $400 is a great deal for a performance increase 15%-25%. I'm not familiar with any Spyder dyno shops--the Nanny wants to see all 3 wheels moving. Most of my trips are short thus mpg is around 30 mpg before & after. My only regret was the Cat Delete pipe & baffle--It really hurt my off the line acceleration--probably improved top end acceleration but I prefer the power from the stop light.
Except for one rider who claimed it made no difference I haven't heard any other negative feedback on the ECM flashing upgrade.
Good Luck,
Darrell