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"Do Not Ride" Recall
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SSPSpyder
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Let's not "shoot the messenger", I read everything to get an idea if there is something to worry about, resolution or not, etc., I don't want a censored version. Honest, open communication is why we are here, isn't it?
Also, when the steering issues were first brought to light, BRP, and some members of the various forums, just pooh-poohed it, and look where we are today
Also, when the steering issues were first brought to light, BRP, and some members of the various forums, just pooh-poohed it, and look where we are today
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
Awe, come on...someone has to get shot! :roflblack:
Anyway, BRP apparently tested both models and due to the auto shifting mechanisms, the grounding is only needed with the auto...no issues with the manual...people can do the grounding on their own, but there is no need...nothing can get affected as in the autos...
BajaRon
Well-known member
:agree:
Description and pictures below are not mine but I think this is a great visual and description. I could not do better so I am posting this from another member's post.
I did the Coil to Center Post fix but the Coil to Oil Radiator is a great method as well.
A bit of an overkill to do both as either will work, but HEY!, why not? Can't hurt.
Look at these pictures and ask yourself. What "Parts" does the dealer have to wait for? Is this a credible explination from a highly trained mechanic who makes their living fixing vehicles?
Originally posted by spyderdylr
First pic shows the ground wires at the coil pack, and the wire to the oil cooler mount. Remember to clear the paint off of the oil tank for a good ground.
Second pic shows the chassis ground. There are 3 wires to it and there is also a star ground washer. It is at the frame member that the steering column passes through.
Third pic is a better side view of the chassis ground. run the wire to the frame and through the existing wire ties along the frame. Be mindful of the exhaust, keep the wires away.
krb1945
New member
If this is the additional Coil ground...
wire you can do this little fix your self. I did her SE5 at 3 am this morning.
You can see it at this thread... it is a simple 5 minute fix you can do yourself. Lamonster pointed this mod out on the below thread on 7/29/09. Kudo's to you Lamonster. Now if you can just convince everyone that the fuel lines should not be on the exhaust pipe or rubbing on the head. I would bet that would solve a whole bunch of problems with various things. They will listen to you when no one else can convince them. Keep up the good work.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12955&highlight=recall+coil+ground
As to the shifting problem on the SE5 neither "she who must be obeyed" nor I are having any problems. Not to say they couldn't raise their ugly little heads anytime.
I am waiting on my DEI wrap so I can get some of the heat out of the engine compartment and insulate some wires, oil and fuel hoses. If your talking about fires granted there aren't many but when you get right down to it there should not be any. My evap hose and fuel hose are rubbing on the engine as I write. I won't and she won't be riding either the SM5 or the SE5 until I get them insulated later today.
wire you can do this little fix your self. I did her SE5 at 3 am this morning.
You can see it at this thread... it is a simple 5 minute fix you can do yourself. Lamonster pointed this mod out on the below thread on 7/29/09. Kudo's to you Lamonster. Now if you can just convince everyone that the fuel lines should not be on the exhaust pipe or rubbing on the head. I would bet that would solve a whole bunch of problems with various things. They will listen to you when no one else can convince them. Keep up the good work.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12955&highlight=recall+coil+ground
As to the shifting problem on the SE5 neither "she who must be obeyed" nor I are having any problems. Not to say they couldn't raise their ugly little heads anytime.
I am waiting on my DEI wrap so I can get some of the heat out of the engine compartment and insulate some wires, oil and fuel hoses. If your talking about fires granted there aren't many but when you get right down to it there should not be any. My evap hose and fuel hose are rubbing on the engine as I write. I won't and she won't be riding either the SM5 or the SE5 until I get them insulated later today.
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Smylinacha
Yellinacha
Yeah but it won't do you much good if the thing catches fire and you can't open the trunk to get it.
BajaRon
Well-known member
Although there may be no issues with a stock manual Spyder, quieting the electronic "Noise" created by the coils is not a bad idea.
What about radios, electronic cruise controls, GPS, etc., that rely on electronics and computers of various kinds to function properly. For instance, it could reduce talking distance on helmet radios.
When one of these devices give you trouble or do not work as well as they should, are you sure that it isn't coil noise giving them fits?
As easy and inexpensive as this "Fix" is to do I think it is a good idea. Granted, it might not do a thing for you (especially if you never intend to add any electronic device). But this is the worse case senerio to a quick, easy, cheap upgrade.
And I agree, we shouldn't have to do this. I would guess that BRP will begin grounding all Spyder coil packs in the future. Live and learn.
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
Most aftermarket electronic devices would likely be shielded and as far as frequency goes, who the heck knows...the good thing is that the grounding is not needed for your bike to work if you have the SM5...if you have the SE5, you could have some serious issues...adding it can do no harm but I wouldn't worry about it with the SM5 as I would with the SE5...
BajaRon
Well-known member
Most aftermarket electronic devices are shielded to reduce average amounts of electrical interference to levels that device can tolerate.
Most OEM electronic devices are also shielded in the same way (as in components for the SE5).
My feeling is the coil pack puts out a lot more interference than (at least some) electronic components, both aftermarket and OEM, are able to deal with.
Which ones may be affected and by how much is all guess work because we don't have enough information. We do know the coil pack puts out enough noise to mess with some SE5 components.
Just saying, 5 minutes and a bit of wire seems like cheap insurance.
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
I agree with you...5 minutes and a piece of wire...where are the pics again of this? I think you put the explanation above somewhere?
BLACK WIDOW
New member
BRP
If my dealer told me that, I would also tell everyone who owned a Spyder what he said. Perhaps the dealer didn't choose his words properly, I don't know; but your dealer is supposed to be your official factory spoksman for the products he sells.:chat:
If my dealer told me that, I would also tell everyone who owned a Spyder what he said. Perhaps the dealer didn't choose his words properly, I don't know; but your dealer is supposed to be your official factory spoksman for the products he sells.:chat:
wildbill6565
New member
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I called my dealer today and ask why I have not been called to setup a 9000 miles service. I had called two weeks ago. They told me they was waiting on the ground wire fix(on back order) and they would NOT put any thing that BRP did not approve. They said they could do the service so I made an appointment for next Thursday(closed on Mondays). They never said any thing about trailing the Spyder to them. ?????????????????????????????????
I called my dealer today and ask why I have not been called to setup a 9000 miles service. I had called two weeks ago. They told me they was waiting on the ground wire fix(on back order) and they would NOT put any thing that BRP did not approve. They said they could do the service so I made an appointment for next Thursday(closed on Mondays). They never said any thing about trailing the Spyder to them. ?????????????????????????????????
BajaRon
Well-known member
Still have to shake my head at this statement. If you look at the pictures of the fix done by this member, what in the world is so unique or special about this that requres a "Backordered" part?
I know I'm missing something extremely obvious in all of this but for some reason, I am just not getting it.
I know you can't argue with the dealer though. Just doesn't make any sense. :dontknow:
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
I think the root of this lies in BRP's policies for reimbursing the dealers. They must approve all warranty fixes specifically, dictating the parts to be used. They also set the labor hours they will reimburse. They probably will not authorize a dealer fix, since they have come up with a new part, so they will not reimburse an unauthorized repair. The dealer doesn't want to get stuck with the cost, so they decline to do the work until they have the part and the approval.
BajaRon
Well-known member
Makes sense in a twisted sort of way. I guess I'm all about customer service first and all the other issues being secondary. But this is 2009 and I need to catch up.
I can redily see waiting for an electronic sensor, a machined component or a critical tolerance part. But a piece of generic wire and 2 generic crimped ends? 10 days? 2 weeks? Really? This is the very best they can do for the customer?:dontknow:
Seems like we are in an age where all the planets have to be aligned first before customer service is even addressed.
I know dealers have their isssues as well. It isn't like they sit around figuring out new ways to give the customer grief....do they? :dontknow:
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
:agree: I know the bottom line is important to the dealers, but they could probably spend a modest amount to do this fix themselves, and make a some friends for life. A sharp dealer could produce a dozen of these wires in an hour, easy. No advertising will ever be better than a satisfied customer, so I think it would pay off. If that attitude makes me a dinosaur like you, so be it. On the other hand, I worked for government for 39 years, what do I know about business?
Just trying to provide a possible explanation for their behavior. Wouldn't want you to be confused. 
Lamonster
SpyderLovers Founder
Did someone just yell FIRE in a crowded message board?
I think your dealer may be mistaken Bro. I'm pretty tight with the BRP techs and I'm pretty sure they would have told me this if this was the case. I reported the ground wire fix a while ago when another dealer posted it on this board, I was checking on him to make sure his info was correct. This is a SE fix for noise/RF from the coil pack, that's it. If BRP does know the cause of the fires they're not telling me and I'm sure they would seeing we have the most active group of Spyder owners.
I know you just reported what you were told, I just think you were told the wrong thing.
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