DESS Key code again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blacklightning]

Well, I have had my spyder on the road for 3 months since I had my module replaced, and all is well so far.
But on another note, just 2 weeks ago my daughter (who is home from college) was about to head out on her 2002 nissan maxima. This is a car that I bought new for my wife, and passed it down to my daughter when she got her license. Well it would not start. Starter turned, but nothing. After $989, found out the security module in the ignition had gone bad:banghead:. Had to have it replaced, and all 3 keys reprogrammed. I found out that this is not an uncommon problem for cars also.

 

[SpyDerSts]

Just gotta wonder how long the service will keep the bike, and where the part is coming from. Service guy goes on vacation for a week after 8-27-16. Hopefully part comes from local and not Ca-nuh-duh...lol

 

[PaladinLV]

Parts come from Quebec.
Depending on your location - up to 2 weeks.
Once parts received, one day should do it.

When I had mine, I continued to ride "local" until parts were received before bringing it in.

AJ

Just gotta wonder how long the service will keep the bike, and where the part is coming from. Service guy goes on vacation for a week after 8-27-16. Hopefully part comes from local and not Ca-nuh-duh...lol

 

[Deanna777]

Parts come from Quebec.
Depending on your location - up to 2 weeks.
Once parts received, one day should do it.

When I had mine, I continued to ride "local" until parts were received before bringing it in.

AJ

AJ, I called my dealership on a Tuesday, the part came in on following Thursday, appointment was next day, (Friday). It took my dealership about "1 hour" to do the work.

Deanna

 

[wanderingman]

Today, I was doing some errands, after I left the store went to start my spyder, I got the D.E.S.S KEY CODE "AGAIN" so I put a key into the ignition, got the above error, put the 2nd key into the ignition, got the same message, ( and a coarse I did not have my camera so no picture) the spyder did not start.

Put both keys in their holders ( plastic) and walked away about 50 to 60 feet, and waited for about 1/2 hour ( in my mine I was thinking of calling Roadside Assistance, if the spyder did not start the 2nd time, I did not have to call Roadside Assistance,) because it started. Then I went on my way.

Thank god!

So tomorrow I will call my dealer and tell them I got the D.E.S.S KEY CODE again. I had the D.E.S.S. Module replaced last month ( 7/17/15) and both keys reprogramed. I will post here when I can on what the dealer says. My spyder is a 2014RTS-SE6. I know this happens a lot.

I did start a " Thread last month on the above subject. I was wandering if anyone else has had this recurring problem?

Deanna

I do not know if this is correct or not, but I was told that if two chipped keys for different products, such as my Toyota and my Spyder are stored together, it can cause them to mess up the coding on each other. I was told that this information came from an auto manufacturer. I was not told which one. Just a thought.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I do not know if this is correct or not, but I was told that if two chipped keys for different products, such as my Toyota and my Spyder are stored together, it can cause them to mess up the coding on each other. I was told that this information came from an auto manufacturer. I was not told which one. Just a thought.

I don't think that is possible as the electronics in each key are not powered up until they are in the vicinity of the ignition and receive an electrical signal from the antenna. However, if a second key is next to the first key when the ignition is turned on both keys MAY get activated and the digital signals from each get mixed up and cause an error. You can do with your Can Am keys and get a DESS error most every time. I have gotten the DESS error by having a Nissan key next to the Spyder key when I turned it on, but not every time.

 

[PaladinLV]

BULL****!

Can I be3 any plainer

AJ

I do not know if this is correct or not, but I was told that if two chipped keys for different products, such as my Toyota and my Spyder are stored together, it can cause them to mess up the coding on each other. I was told that this information came from an auto manufacturer. I was not told which one. Just a thought.

 

[PaladinLV]

Negative.

The key MUST be in the ignition switch in order to be activated. IF the/a key is merely in the vicinity (even on your rocker switches) it will not activate and if it were to activate, BRP has much bigger problems then a DESS module.

AJ

I don't think that is possible as the electronics in each key are not powered up until they are in the vicinity of the ignition and receive an electrical signal from the antenna. However, if a second key is next to the first key when the ignition is turned on both keys MAY get activated and the digital signals from each get mixed up and cause an error. You can do with your Can Am keys and get a DESS error most every time. I have gotten the DESS error by having a Nissan key next to the Spyder key when I turned it on, but not every time.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I don't think that is possible as the electronics in each key are not powered up until they are in the vicinity of the ignition and receive an electrical signal from the antenna. However, if a second key is next to the first key when the ignition is turned on both keys MAY get activated and the digital signals from each get mixed up and cause an error. You can do with your Can Am keys and get a DESS error most every time. I have gotten the DESS error by having a Nissan key next to the Spyder key when I turned it on, but not every time.

Negative.

The key MUST be in the ignition switch in order to be activated. IF the/a key is merely in the vicinity (even on your rocker switches) it will not activate and if it were to activate, BRP has much bigger problems then a DESS module.

AJ

Are you suggesting the DESS errors I saw during my experimentation were a figment of my imagination?

Try it. Put Spyder key #1 into the ignition.
Hold Spyder key #2 next to key #1.
Turn ignition on.

I'll bet you get the same DESS error I saw!

 

[PaladinLV]

REPEAT

NEGATIVE

AJ
PS
Will be happy to once again repeat and provide photos.

Are you suggesting the DESS errors I saw during my experimentation were a figment of my imagination?

Try it. Put Spyder key #1 into the ignition.
Hold Spyder key #2 next to key #1.
Turn ignition on.

I'll bet you get the same DESS error I saw!

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

REPEAT

NEGATIVE

AJ
PS
Will be happy to once again repeat and provide photos.

You mean a couple of photos like these? The first shows the key error when the second key was next to the first key when ignition was turned on. The second photo shows the bike running with a non-chip key in the ignition and the chip key next to it.

 

[Deanna777]

I do not know if this is correct or not, but I was told that if two chipped keys for different products, such as my Toyota and my Spyder are stored together, it can cause them to mess up the coding on each other. I was told that this information came from an auto manufacturer. I was not told which one. Just a thought.

Technical Explanation" When the D.E.S.S. module sends its signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna is too strong and the key chip is saturated. The saturated changes the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S. module causing a bad lecture of the key chip".


Also, a quote from a BRP Tech " We have had cases where a cell phone or magnetic card, placed near the ignition switch cause this. This includes any device that may emit some type of frequency". ( end of 'quote).
Deanna

 

[SpyDerSts]

Well,looks like we get to go pick up wife's Spydey again from repair in Springfield Ohio. (DESS replaced) Hopin of all hopes its Fixed fer good. I'm sure sumpthin else will (electronically) need repair eventually. It just seems that way....for now I want her to have her Spydey back so we can ride together and enjoy what's left of this warmer weather.

 

[Peteoz]

Technical Explanation" When the D.E.S.S. module sends its signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna is too strong and the key chip is saturated. The saturated changes the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S. module causing a bad lecture of the key chip".


Also, a quote from a BRP Tech " We have had cases where a cell phone or magnetic card, placed near the ignition switch cause this. This includes any device that may emit some type of frequency". ( end of 'quote).
Deanna

Hi Deanna.....forgive my ignorance, but what initiates the DESS module sending its signal to the antenna? Is is simply the key being close proximity, or does the key have to be inserted?

Pete

 

[jcthorne]

Hi Deanna.....forgive my ignorance, but what initiates the DESS module sending its signal to the antenna? Is is simply the key being close proximity, or does the key have to be inserted?

Pete

When you insert the key and turn on the ignition, the DESS module activates the chip in the key via the coil near the ignition lock cylinder.

 

[Deanna777]

Hi Deanna.....forgive my ignorance, but what initiates the DESS module sending its signal to the antenna? Is is simply the key being close proximity, or does the key have to be inserted?

Pete

Pete, See/read post #535 on this thread for the answer. Deanna

 

[irvin48]

cant remember if it was discussed, but when the ignition switch is replaced,
what happens to the rear lock ? do i get a new barrel? didnt have one put in
in wisconsin, so as a precaution my dealer is gonna do it when the new h/l's are installed.
that way everything is new again. have to buy another key blank now to cut,
for an uncoded rear spare too. thanks for any info.

did the ign switch get an upgraded part # too? irv

 

[Deanna777]

cant remember if it was discussed, but when the ignition switch is replaced,
what happens to the rear lock ? do i get a new barrel? didnt have one put in
in wisconsin, so as a precaution my dealer is gonna do it when the new h/l's are installed.
that way everything is new again. have to buy another key blank now to cut,
for an uncoded rear spare too. thanks for any info.

did the ign switch get an upgraded part # too? irv

Joyce47, I posted ( on page 6 post # 126 title " new DESS module + Ignition switch fixed update 8/28/15" ) on what happened when I had my New dess module + Ignition switch replaced.

My dealership " replaced the rear trunk key lock". Also, get from your dealership a new trailer lock.

Keep us updated on what happens. Deanna

 

[Peteoz]

When you insert the key and turn on the ignition, the DESS module activates the chip in the key via the coil near the ignition lock cylinder.

Ahhhhhh. Thanks JC and Deanna. I was just curious as both my phone and chipped credit cards are within a foot of the key when I turn the ignition on.

Pete

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

:yikes: :yikes: :yikes:.... ...Not crying or whining about it........... but it just happened AGAIN :banghead: :banghead: and Yes, I have the newest Module ...... Got the orange box with Key flash... then the Engine symbol!!! .... BUT NOT the "ENTIRE ORANGE SCREEN THING" ...... and the Spyder did re-start ............ I didn't have my spare key, No cell phone, No power lines, rural area yada yada........ This is way beyond my pay grade ......I posted this for info purposes only............... Mike :thumbup: