DESS Key code again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Deanna777]

Hope that it is fixed now. Part #710004916

Good Luck! I hope you don't get the DESS error with your new part #. ( 710004916).


I have not had the DESS error since I started this thread. Deanna

 

[jcthorne]

Just adding a piece of information for the discussion.

1. I can confirm that DESS CAN be disabled. Once done a normal chipless key that fits the ignition lock will start the bike.
2. I can also confirm that re-enabling the DESS does NOT remove the previously learned keys from the DESS module. They still work as they did before and the chipless key does not.
3. I can confirm that in the event of a DESS fail, connecting a megatech licenced version of BUDS in engineering mode can disable DESS and the bike will then start.

My take on this is that publicly available software exists to disable the DESS system while the bike is in lock down mode. As such the DESS system is useless as a theft deterrent for technologically inclined criminal elements. The only folks DESS is having an effect on is the owners, by disabling their bikes in the worst possible locations.

I really think BRP needs to rethink the option to have their dealers disable DESS on customer request.

As I now am familiar with the workings of DESS and the programming of keys in BUDS, I have no trouble offering this service to my customers on request. As BUDS resides on my laptop that I travel with, I will likely bring the MPI-3 device with me in case anyone in my traveling party is disabled by DESS or other problem on the road away from home.

 

[larryd]

Just adding a piece of information for the discussion.

1. I can confirm that DESS CAN be disabled. Once done a normal chipless key that fits the ignition lock will start the bike.
2. I can also confirm that re-enabling the DESS does NOT remove the previously learned keys from the DESS module. They still work as they did before and the chipless key does not.
3. I can confirm that in the event of a DESS fail, connecting a megatech licenced version of BUDS in engineering mode can disable DESS and the bike will then start.

My take on this is that publicly available software exists to disable the DESS system while the bike is in lock down mode. As such the DESS system is useless as a theft deterrent for technologically inclined criminal elements. The only folks DESS is having an effect on is the owners, by disabling their bikes in the worst possible locations.

I really think BRP needs to rethink the option to have their dealers disable DESS on customer request.

As I now am familiar with the workings of DESS and the programming of keys in BUDS, I have no trouble offering this service to my customers on request. As BUDS resides on my laptop that I travel with, I will likely bring the MPI-3 device with me in case anyone in my traveling party is disabled by DESS or other problem on the road away from home.

I would like to have this service done to my 2014 RTS...Is there anyone close to central PA that can provide this service??? Or is there any other way to turn it off using any other technology???

THANK YOU, larryd

 

[jcthorne]

This may have been explained before ( I apologize ) , but what is the " MEGATECH LICENSED VERSION " and do any or some or all dealers have it..........It's wonderful to have someone add to this THREAD that actually tells us something useful ......Again Thank you........Mike :clap: :clap: :clap:

I am in it with everyone else and like the 2013 fiasco, not one to be content to watch BRP muddle around. I have to get my hands dirty and work on a solution....

The BUDS software has several levels of licence that can be purchased. Each has access to certain sets of capabilities. Most dealers have either a Spyder dealer licence or an All Dealers licence that works on all BRP products, not just spyders.

Then there is the Megatech licence that gives significantly more access for diagnostics and other functions. It costs a bit more than the dealer level access but any dealer, or any individual can purchase which ever BUDs licence they see fit to buy.

BRP factory techs have the Megatech licence. That is where I first saw it in action. Its also sometimes referred to as an engineering licence inside the software.

I have had a dealer licence for about a year and my renewal was coming due and with the DESS issue and knowing that upgrading to the Megatech licence would unlock capabilities and diagnostics around the security functions and keys, I ponied up for the upgraded licence. Learned a lot in the first day. There is also a good deal more diagnostic capabilities for engine sensors etc as well for when I need them. Was a worthwhile upgrade. That said, BUDS licences are NOT cheap.

 

[blacklightning]

Well, I just finished a 1348 mile trip to the NC mountains. Over that time, I probably had 50-75 starts over the past 5 days on this journey. I must say, this is the longest time that I have gone without getting a hint of the DESS error since last summer. But, since I do have the knowledge of how to fix it, I was never worried.

 

[jcthorne]

How would you like to visit Galax VA? Good excuse to ride some wonderful roads in the area.

I will be at the Deadwood rally in SD and at Red Rocks in Utah. Will also be riding in the Durango CO area week of July 4th if any of this helps anyone. I really was not proposing to ride around the country disabling DESS for folks but full well understand the desire and am willing to help.

 

[jthspace]

Looks like the stuff needed to disable the DESS is available. I'm going to see if I can find out just how involved it is. If it's not stupid I may spring for it.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=buds+megatech

Certain Chinese site will sell a keygen for USD 50 - seems to be lots of sellers. Looks like you have to also send your serial number from the MPI-2 interface though. Not sure it is good idea as this gives a thief easy access to stealing Spyders and, in fact, any BRP product. 10 minutes, a trailer and you get USD20k of Seadoos for 50 bucks.

Too risky to turn off DESS? Invalidate your insurance?

Jeff

Megatech Key Features:
1. Changing of the VIN number, MODEL number.
2. Advanced settings.
3. View stories in hours, rather than percentage.
4. Enabling / Disabling DESS (vehicle can be started with any DESS key).
5. Change the key type without reprogramming (normal, learning, rental).
6. Clear the history of the blocks ECM, MPEM (history of substitutions).
7. Cleaning unit ECM, MPEM, CLUSTER "as new" (resetting the hours on 4-TEC Seadoo, up to 2010).
8. View more information blocks.
9. Installing Secure Code.​

 

[jcthorne]

I am not a fan of the DESS, and have been a proponent of shutting it off. No doubt they could still have issues, but it seems that Can Am may have it sorted out. Why even bother disabling it.

The latest module is $125 MSRP. Install is not difficult but does take a little time. If you are totally paranoid, or simply want to have a means to salvage a trip, buy a spare and carry it with you.

Are you sure you do not need to reprogram the keys to the new DESS if you replace the module? IE no need of BUDS for a DESS module replacement? Seems odd if true.

My real point was that for all its trouble, DESS does not offer any real security. The tools to unlock it without the keys are in the public domain for legal purchase or cheap to steal if you are in the criminal element anyway. The only real theft deterrent is the physical lock cylinder with its handle bar lock. Turning DESS off does not really make the bike any more or less prone to theft.

 

[jcthorne]

Spyders are stolen with a roll back wrecker and a winch. Gone in 60 seconds as you say. They are not ridden off. DESS does not help deter theft any more than the physical lock already does.

Unlocking and removing DESS is done later and the bike sold or parted out.

I hope you are right on the problem getting sorted. There are many hundreds out there waiting to fail at the wrong time. Me and my traveling companions will not be stuck with this as so many others have. Essentially ruining a long planned trip due to poor design. Like many others, its was more about peace of mind than actual malady. The incremental cost for the megatech licence was not that bad and I wanted to learn more about the systems anyway. I can help others if the opportunity presents.

If you change out the DESS module, please report back you success.

 

[RTL1330]

Well at 30k on my 2014 RTL we thought we might miss this party. No such luck we got stuck out where there was NO cellular service. Took about 1/2 hour of fooling and it started. Rode home and it started fine in my shop. Next morning, today I was heading for dealer and no go.
Orange screen of death!! Well got it started and went to dealer in another town and they read the codes and said the antenna around key is bothered by all the new RF interference and new cell signals so not to have phones or ?? Near ignition which I don't.

Anyway tech says there is a NEW module available and NEW antenna kit for ignition area.
They have ordered them and said they are back ordered until mid July? Says it's a long job as frunk and dash have to come off?
Guess I'll park her until fixed so I don't have to walk home.

PS... What is this Cycling the ignition people do to get it to start. I'm pretty mechanical and think I know but want to be sure of steps.
Thanks.

 

[rcturner]

What is this Cycling the ignition people do to get it to start. I'm pretty mechanical and think I know but want to be sure of steps.

I have done the cycling thing (5 times on then off) on each of the eight failures my bike has experienced. It worked first time and every time except one. That time it took a bit longer but, it did work. My dealer is replacing the DESS module next week. I hope to have the issue resolved with the new parts.

 

[RTL1330]

The DESS Module is under warranty, have your dealership open up a case with BRP.


Please post the part # of your dess module.

Deanna

Im real familiar with BRP warranty and policy. Parts on back order.
I will post the numbers when job done by dealer later this month.

 

[Deanna777]

Im real familiar with BRP warranty and policy. Parts on back order.
I will post the numbers when job done by dealer later this month.

Good Luck! Deanna

 

[maxummike]

my situation is a little different. My dash doen't light up, the brake light and N light and oil light light up. when i hit start nothing happens, happened a few nights ago, went to dinner and when i got back to the bike same thing happened. waited like 15 minutes tried and it worked fine. right now i have the key in the ignition hoping the bike will read it?? Its a beautiful day, and i can't ride very frustrating

 

[Deanna777]

my situation is a little different. My dash doen't light up, the brake light and N light and oil light light up. when i hit start nothing happens, happened a few nights ago, went to dinner and when i got back to the bike same thing happened. waited like 15 minutes tried and it worked fine. right now i have the key in the ignition hoping the bike will read it?? Its a beautiful day, and i can't ride very frustrating

Did you have your D.E.S.S. module replaced?
Did you get this picture on your dash: ?
The D.E.S.S. Module is under warranty, if you have any warranty left on your spyder.

What is your spyder model?
What year is your spyder?

Keep us posted and please post on this thread, I would like to keep this thread going, so new/current spyder owners can get some helpful ideas when they have the D.E.S.S. Error shows up.
Deanna

 

[maxummike]

Did you have your D.E.S.S. module replaced?
Did you get this picture on your dash: View attachment 133305 ?
The D.E.S.S. Module is under warranty, if you have any warranty left on your spyder.

What is your spyder model?
What year is your spyder?

Keep us posted and please post on this thread, I would like to keep this thread going, so new/current spyder owners can get some helpful ideas when they have the D.E.S.S. Error shows up.
Deanna

Im sorry i have a 2014 RT Limited. i bought new last year. My dashboard is blank not powered up. Im still under warranty. After leaving it alone for about an hour i put the key in and the dashboard lit up and I was able to start it. i wish i did get a DEES because then i would know what it is. i cam back from ride about 11/2 ago and put the key in to see if it would happen again and it did, The dashboard is blank

 

[Deanna777]

Im sorry i have a 2014 RT Limited. i bought new last year. My dashboard is blank not powered up. Im still under warranty. After leaving it alone for about an hour i put the key in and the dashboard lit up and I was able to start it. i wish i did get a DEES because then i would know what it is. i cam back from ride about 11/2 ago and put the key in to see if it would happen again and it did, The dashboard is blank

Did you try both of the keys?

Check with your dealership about your 'Blank Dashboard". After you waited for an 1 hour did you get the normal start-up screen?

Did you check your fuses?

Someone else might chime in to help you with the above problem.

Deanna

 

[maxummike]

Did you try both of the keys?

Check with your dealership about your 'Blank Dashboard". After you waited for an 1 hour did you get the normal start-up screen?

Did you check your fuses?

Someone else might chime in to help you with the above problem.

Deanna

Itried both keys figuring the chip lost its mojo. neither worked I didn't check any fuses but will. after the hour it did start but i just cant figure you why?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

This may be totally incorrect, but the black screen is not indicative of a DESS failure. So, the black screen had me curious.

When you got the black screen, had the Spyder been parked in the sun or a hot area. If the screens temp is excessive, the screen will not illuminate but remains black.

From experience, last weekend, I went to fire up the Spyder after it had been parked for a while. The afternoon sun had warmed up the display area. When I installed the key, I got no screen at all, simply all black. My first thought was the machine was dead. After a moment, I considered the really hot outside temps.

With the key on, and screen still black, I hit the mode button to allow the machine to be ready to run. I waited a few seconds since I could not see the screen and know for certain it was on the MPH screen, then I hit the starter and it fired up. I had to use the dial type speedo until the display cooled and returned to functioning.

Not saying this is your problem, rather simply tossing it out there.

Paul read His post # 436........Mike :thumbup:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I did read post 436 several times over the course of a couple visits to Spyderlovers. I shared my own experience with a similar problem. There is nothing that indicates he has a DESS issue of any kind.

If the screen is overheated, it will not show anything but black. If the person unknowingly had a black screen but hit the mode button, it would run.

Mike, go back and read post #436, #438...:thumbup:

Once you read them and understand what he has posted Mike, you will realize the oil light, the "N" and the parking brake indicator light are all outside the center display that is susceptible to turning black in high heat situations.

He may have a display that is failing, he does not have a DESS problem in my opinion. If he did have a DESS problem, with a blacked out display he would not be able to read or see it.

I suggest the person bring a towels or similar and a means to keep it from blowing away, cover the display when parked or park in the shade. If the problem persists, bring it in for a warranty replacement of the display.

My reference to you re-viewing it again had nothing to do with DESS ( nothing in post # 436 mentions DESS )......it was "He did try to start it even tho there was no screen" .......many folks here think my entire existence on Spyderlovers revolves around the DESS issue :roflblack: :roflblack: :roflblack: but it really doesn't........................ Mike :thumbup: