Creeping

[StarTraveler649]

Something cropped up yesterday on and off. Have a new SE5, just over 300 miles, so may just be breaking in glitches.

Normally, when I stop in first gear, the bike sits there idling at about 1350-1400, I take my foot off the brake, it still sits there.

Yesterday, on 3 occasions, it would idle at 1250-1300 and want to keep pulling forward. Not very hard, but if I took my foot off of the brake, it would start rolling. (flat surface)

All 3 occasions were different, once in stop and go traffic after work, once after riding about 10 minutes - ~40 mph or so then stop sign, last time after going a good 20 minutes - ~60 mph or so with even hitting the brake much less stopping.

Thought throttle might not be returning to full idle, not the case.

Questions: :dontknow:

1. Why is it doing this ?
2. Do I have to worry about it just yet ?
3. Is this normal breaking in occurences with an SE5 ?
4. Why should one have to work every day when there is prime riding weather (not related, but a good question none the same !) ?

Thanks in advance for any info.

 

[zzneonzz]

I had this early on and asked the dealer about it and he said its just the clutch getting hot. It stopped doing this on me at about 800 miles. I now have 6800 Miles.

 

[GaryTheBadger]

This is due to the centrifugal clutch sticking. If you "blip" the throttle (while holding the brakes on) it will revert to no-creep mode. Its a known problem that BRP is working on.

Mine has three distince modes: no creep, 1MPH creep and agressive creep that requires I hold the brakes on firmly until I "blip" the throttle to get to no-creep mode. This all started about the same mileage it did on yours, and I now have 1200 and its still doing it. I never know which mode it will be in when I come to a stop.

Anecdotally, Royal Purple oil might solve it, but I have not seen hard evidence yet, its too soon to tell.

I recommend you email BRP tech support, as I have. The more of us who complain, the faster it will get resolved (hey, I can dream can't I?) I don't have the email address handy, but someone will reply to this thread with it. (Methods to contact BPR should be a "sticky" thread at the top of this forum, in my opinion).

 

[StarTraveler649]

Thanks for the speedy replies ! :clap:

Will hunt down that e-mail address.

 

[Degaman]

Mine was fixed with the gear position sensor replacement. Occasionally, it still wants to creep ever so slightly, but the throttle blip takes care of it instantly.

 

[Degaman]

And one for good measure... hip hip hooray... I'm a senior member... what discounts do I qualify for? :clap:

 

[Dudley]

I have emailed BRP at [email protected]. My emails have all been answered. Our Spyder had the transmission "fix" done but it still wanted to creep. I first started putting it in Neutral, then back to first and that worked. One day that didn't work, and the transmission wanted to stay in Neutral. My wife pushed the Spyder about 4 feet and it decided to go into 1st. After that, I "blip" the throttle. I started using Royal Purple Max Cycle Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 10W40 on March 25th. Since that time (1000 miles) it has never crawled (creeped) again. It is not BRP oil, so my choice to change may become a warranty issue if ever the engine or the transmission has problems. I'll cross that bridge if I have to. If you scroll back on the General Discussion threads, I have a thread on a review of the oil and what differences I noticed in the Spyder since using the oil. Feel free to call me anytime if you still have my number. Or email me and I will give it to you.

 

[StarTraveler649]

Called BRP's customer report and spoke to someone there. She acted like they had never heard of this problem before.

Spoke to another guy that I was passed on to, same thing. So they started a report, said to watch it for a couple hundred mile, if it keeps doing it, then being it in.

It is not bad, does not aggressively pull foward, but things can always change.

Spoke to someone at my dealer and was told basically the smae thing the same thing. He owns a Spyder, sells them, and has to deal with people who own them, so I am guessing he would ahve a good idea. He is also on these forums as well. Will see what happens over the next few miles and go from there I guess.

 

[scott]

mine did the samething--the dealer replaced a spring (sorry--don't remember the techical name)...the new spring is much stronger...problem went away---my bill said....."spring recall..." and was a $9.00 part covered by the warrenty. The dealer said all the SE5's they have sold have come back to have this spring replaced....works fine now...

 

[Bersquack]

Mine also does that. I will be dropping it for the first service tomorrow and will mention that to my dealer.

Thanks to this forum, when it started I knew exactly what the problem was and tried the "blip" trick.

:firstplace:

 

[GaryTheBadger]

Three things:

1) I called it a centrifugal clutch because that's what my local BRP service tech said it is. If he's wrong then I have a bigger problem to solve!

2) I just got a phone call from Carlo at BRP!! He got my email. This is good news. BRP is listening, working on the problem, contacting owners. I pointed them to this fourm for further details to help their troubleshooting.

3) The email address is: [email protected] The one listed above by Dudley might be the general/marketing department. Again, I vote for making the BRP contact info a "sticky" after its confirmed...email addresses, phone numbers, web sites.

 

[rleathen]

I too experienced this same problem early on with my 2008 SE5. At the direction of BRP my dealer replaced the clutch rollers and the problem dissappeared.

 

[Lamonster]

Again, I vote for making the BRP contact info a "sticky" after its confirmed...email addresses, phone numbers, web sites.

It is linked on the front page of SpyderLovers under Spyder Web:

» Spyder Web
Spyder Customer Support
SpyderRider
Spyder Specs
Factory Site
US Dealer List
Canada Dealer List
BRP Parts Online
Operators Guide
Owners Map

 

[spyryder]

Well then, Gary, yes, you do have a bigger problem. :gaah:

SE5 has two clutches, a primary and a centrifigal clutch. Check BRP parts online.

 

[ataDude]

SE5 has two clutches, a primary and a centrifigal clutch. Check BRP parts online.

I just did... you are entirely correct. :yikes:

I will amend my prior posts. Good catch... more working parts... more things to go wrong.
.

 

[Firefly]

I just hold the clutch in when stopped -

I didn't know the Se5 actually uses two clutches, but I guess it makes sense.

I had a Sears minibike with a centrifugal clutch - worked well but wasn't very good for burnouts!

Glad BRP is communicating with you guys -

 

[spyryder]

I just did... you are entirely correct. :yikes:

I will amend my prior posts. Good catch... more working parts... more things to go wrong.
.

It's quite the system....at first I thought the primary clutch always stayed engaged and relied only on the centrifugal, but they're both used somehow. :gaah:

 

[StarTraveler649]

Received an e-mail form Carlos this afternoon for VIN and other info. Will see what happens.

 

[ataDude]

It's quite the system....at first I thought the primary clutch always stayed engaged and relied only on the centrifugal, but they're both used somehow. :gaah:

If you ever figure out how it works, let me know! :thumbup:

.

 

[Tom in NM]

Creeping, too

I have a new 2008 SE5 and Monday as I hit 400 miles, it started creeping too.

Usually, in a flat parking lot, it will get up to 7 or 8 mph. RPM is steady at 1500. On Wednesday, at about 510 miles, twice it wanted to creep at around 15 mph. RPM, still steady at 1500.

I shifted to Neutral and back and everything was fine, but I usually just use the brake. I didn't know about the throttle blip, so I will try that. ( heck, I just figured out you can double-shift into Reverse yesterday - boy, is that slick! )

I also noticed that when the 'creeping' started, the shifting and general performance feel of the Sypder noticeably improved, everything felt smoother and tighter at the same time.

I am scheduled to go into the dealership on Monday for the 600 Service ( boy, the miles pile up fast on Spyders! ) The discussions have helped and give me some feeling about what to expect - THANKS EVERYONE .

If I learn anything of value, I'll post it.

Tom