Creeping

[Trickie Dick]

I also have this problem on my se5. I emailed tech support at the address Gary the Badger listed. Will be interested to hear from them.
Dick

 

[trldncr]

If you ever figure out how it works, let me know! :thumbup:

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The centrifugal clutch has small rollers that look like dumbells. As the rpm's increase the rollers move outwards and spread the centrifugal outwards and applies pressure on the clutch pack which is very similar to the SM5 and other motorcycles.
If the rollers don't return all the way when the rpm's drop, the clutch drags trying to stall the engine. The Idle Air Control Valve tries to keep the engine at 1400rpm and therefore the unit creeps ahead. When you blip the throttle it usually gives the rollers a chance to return to there idle position and no creeping. That is why when you start the unit and put it in gear it doesn't creep until you engage the rollers again when increasing rpm.

 

[Firefly]

I have a new 2008 SE5 and Monday as I hit 400 miles, it started creeping too.

Usually, in a flat parking lot, it will get up to 7 or 8 mph. RPM is steady at 1500. On Wednesday, at about 510 miles, twice it wanted to creep at around 15 mph. RPM, still steady at 1500.

I shifted to Neutral and back and everything was fine, but I usually just use the brake. I didn't know about the throttle blip, so I will try that. ( heck, I just figured out you can double-shift into Reverse yesterday - boy, is that slick! )

I also noticed that when the 'creeping' started, the shifting and general performance feel of the Sypder noticeably improved, everything felt smoother and tighter at the same time.

I am scheduled to go into the dealership on Monday for the 600 Service ( boy, the miles pile up fast on Spyders! ) The discussions have helped and give me some feeling about what to expect - THANKS EVERYONE .

If I learn anything of value, I'll post it.

Tom

Double shift into reverse?
Can you go backwards in time when you do that?

If you hold the brake down does that take care of the creeping? Or do you still feel it pulling you forward? If you're in reverse will it creep backwards?

Interesting beast with it's own personality that Se5 is!

 

[GaryTheBadger]

Yes, it does sometimes creep in reverse too. Its not a gearbox
issue, its a centrifugal clutch sticking issue.

When it wants to creep at a stop, if you "blip" the throttle (while holding the brakes firmly), you can hear a distinct click as the clutch "dumbells" reset back to their correct position. Because the problem is common and easily reproduceable, I would think BRP could resolve it quickly, and under warranty. I'm more concerned about the service technician's skill and experience at working on the guts of the Spyder transmission when its time to implement the fix.

Can someone explain what "double-shift into reverse" is?

 

[ataDude]

Thanks! So, from what you said, the centrifugal clutch is the "off idle" primary... in use before the regular clutch pack is "activated".

Now, I understand about why some people say "blip" the throttle to move out of a gear... it's to engage the centrifugal clutch and move the gear train!
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The centrifugal clutch has small rollers that look like dumbells. As the rpm's increase the rollers move outwards and spread the centrifugal outwards and applies pressure on the clutch pack which is very similar to the SM5 and other motorcycles.
If the rollers don't return all the way when the rpm's drop, the clutch drags trying to stall the engine. The Idle Air Control Valve tries to keep the engine at 1400rpm and therefore the unit creeps ahead. When you blip the throttle it usually gives the rollers a chance to return to there idle position and no creeping. That is why when you start the unit and put it in gear it doesn't creep until you engage the rollers again when increasing rpm.

 

[Tom in NM]

1)Yes, but . . . 2)Yes 3)No 4)Not just the SE5 . . .

Double shift into reverse?
Can you go backwards in time when you do that?

If you hold the brake down does that take care of the creeping? Or do you still feel it pulling you forward? If you're in reverse will it creep backwards?

Interesting beast with it's own personality that Se5 is!

Firefly,
"Double-Shifting" on the SE5 works like this: If you are in 1st and you want to go into Reverse, Press in the Reverse button & then Pull the shift towards you ( the minus - ) and hold it. The SE5 will shift through Neutral and into Reverse. This saves the rider the time and extra step of shifting into Neutral and then shifting into Reverse.
The opposite also works - if you are in Reverse and want to get to 1st, Press the shift ( the plus + ) and hold it. The SE5 will shift through Neutral and into 1st and you are ready to go.
Double-Shifting is quick and easy - and much more graceful than I can shift into Neutral and then shift into a gear. The Owner's Manual covers this, but I only picked up on the Double-Shift into 1st from Reverse.

Yes, if you Double-Shift into Reverse, you can go backwards in time. BUT, you also have to be sitting backwards on the seat, which spoils the effect. Also it is only -.5 second/foot, not really worth all the effort.

Yes, a very light touch of the brake stops all creeping and I have never felt it pull or felt I needed to put on more brake pressure.

No, I have never had it creep in Reverse. My SE5 always wants a push from the throttle when it begins time-travel mode.

And no, while the SE5 is an interesting beast and has a personality - from my test rides and reading this forum - the real interesting beasts and personalities RIDE Spyders.

Tom

 

[Firefly]

Firefly,
"Double-Shifting" on the SE5 works like this: If you are in 1st and you want to go into Reverse, Press in the Reverse button & then Pull the shift towards you ( the minus - ) and hold it. The SE5 will shift through Neutral and into Reverse. This saves the rider the time and extra step of shifting into Neutral and then shifting into Reverse.
The opposite also works - if you are in Reverse and want to get to 1st, Press the shift ( the plus + ) and hold it. The SE5 will shift through Neutral and into 1st and you are ready to go.
Double-Shifting is quick and easy - and much more graceful than I can shift into Neutral and then shift into a gear. The Owner's Manual covers this, but I only picked up on the Double-Shift into 1st from Reverse.

Yes, if you Double-Shift into Reverse, you can go backwards in time. BUT, you also have to be sitting backwards on the seat, which spoils the effect. Also it is only -.5 second/foot, not really worth all the effort.

Yes, a very light touch of the brake stops all creeping and I have never felt it pull or felt I needed to put on more brake pressure.

No, I have never had it creep in Reverse. My SE5 always wants a push from the throttle when it begins time-travel mode.

And no, while the SE5 is an interesting beast and has a personality - from my test rides and reading this forum - the real interesting beasts and personalities RIDE Spyders.

Tom

:thumbup:

I've only been on an SE5 once - it was strange to not shift in the conventional manner - I was like - what's my left foot supposed to be doing now?

Enjoy being a rock start - it never gets old!