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Catalytic Converter Bypass

flybuddy said:
Cats are made to create substantial heat in order to better oxidize the exhaust gasses. The closer the cat is to the cylinder, the better it will function. Difficult to set up on a motorcycle and it's probably why ours are so large because of where it's mounted. Had they wrapped the exhaust, it probably could have been a smaller unit and still passed Leftyfornia requirements. The extra gas burned with the increased weight and restriction negates a good portion of the cats environmental benefit in our case. The replacement needs to be nothing more than a Y-pipe to connect the 2 cylinder exhaust pipes to the existing muffler. Surprisingly, there actually is platinum in most cat converters and sometimes even gold. Not sure why they priced it so high. I was really wanting this and jumped right over to their site to order it figuring it would be two to three hundred bucks. Guess it's a small market and you have to recover your R&D. Hopefully as the number of RTs increase and someone else jumps on the bandwagon, the price will decrease.
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Considering there is a post where someone had one made at a local shop for $129, the price, even with ceramic coating is way beyond what I will pay. I would have jumped on an order if it was $300 or less. But as it stands now, this winter I'm heading to the local shop and have one made using "stainless steel".
 
Frenchy said:
Now that's funny!!! At $849 I thought the same thing......lol
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Maybe it takes into consideration the gas, food & lodging for a round trip to Greer, SC & the accompanying labor to have it "professionally installed"? :dontknow:
But on the positive side - maybe the coffee & doughnuts are free while you wait! :roflblack:

Sorry Schultzi but at $850 + tax & shipping I will gladly pass on this mod..... Seriously though, WHY so expensive!?????
 
Guy’s,
I can understand your concern about the price, but there is a little more involved to get a product ready for production as to go to your local muffler shop and let someone try to fit a piece of pipe in place of the CAT.
If it would be that easy to replace the CAT with some pipes, I'm sure a lot of you would have done it already or some other company would come out with a similar product.
The R&D involved to make it a bolt on application coming with all the hardware and gaskets is quite substantial.
Also making it an application and Not having to buy additional fuel management equipment was the goal.
As you know, the Spyder is not an easy piece of equipment to work on and to make sure the computer not putting any error codes out is a priority.
Additional perks are free shipping and handling and taxes included in the price to make it a flat fee price.

Spyder1Attitude is a very small business and quite young as well.
We try to offer great products, easy installation without special mechanical skills required and reasonable priced.

So, I ask you guy’s – what would be a reasonable price for this kit?

Be fair!

Thanks for your input and comments
 
Fair Price

Let us be honest....according to Google an actual catalytic converter for most cars & trucks ranges from $100 - $250. Paying more then that for what is in essence a Y-pipe cat-bypass is hard to swallow especially in these tough economic times. Again, this is a cat-bypass designed to eliminate the cat itself.

I do recognize and applaud you in your endeavor but it MUST also be priced to move from your shop to the end use customer (Spyder Owner). True you are not likely to have the "volume" as an auto or truck shop would but your price needs to be comparable without a customer suffering sticker shock!
 
The Y-pipe with cat converter is a complex piece on the Spyder, so I can understand the cost for a somewhat less complex replacement. The MSRP in the OEM part is $782.49 USD, so I don't think the market will support an even higher cost for a straight-thru replacement...especially in aluminized steel rather than stainless. When even the OEM muffler, and all the aftermarket units I have seen, are priced lower still, it is difficult to justify nearly a grand for a "pipe". I hope for your sake I am wrong, I know how hard you have worked on this, and what is involved. It is a hard sell, though.
 
"Y" Only

SpyderFun said:
Let us be honest....according to Google an actual catalytic converter for most cars & trucks ranges from $100 - $250. Paying more then that for what is in essence a Y-pipe cat-bypass is hard to swallow especially in these tough economic times. Again, this is a cat-bypass designed to eliminate the cat itself.

I do recognize and applaud you in your endeavor but it MUST also be priced to move from your shop to the end use customer (Spyder Owner). True you are not likely to have the "volume" as an auto or truck shop would but your price needs to be comparable without a customer suffering sticker shock!
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Guess I'll try the exhaust fabricators in Trade-A-Plane to see if we can find a more comfortable price alternative.:yikes:
 
Looks like this winter, sales will be up on coffee,donuts,beer or whatever the beverage of choice is at the local muffler shop. I wish you luck on compromising a price that your fans will accept. Just went through this with my boss on a seat we created for a stretched out custom HD. When it was all said and done we had $1500.00 in time & material in creating this seat. Now that the jig is made he thinks he'll cut a fat hog in the ass. I told him you can't carry that number to every seat you make.. Bottom line.... It's worth about $185.00 even though the gentleman has 50k tied up in customization & paint on this ride.} Not to mention he's richer than 3' up a bull's butt { No disrespect, but I feel a lot of merchants put their value rated at the price of the vehicle it services. Jusi an honest oppinion from a part-time fabricator/merchant on this end.
 
CAT Converter

DR Buck said:
OK, I'm not looking for a lecture on the environmental benefits of a catalytic converter. :lecturef_smilie: Here in VA catalytic converters are not required on motorcycles and I'm looking for a way to shed some of the obscene heat that radiates from the Spyder. So the question is, other than the few that have posted having made their own bypass pipes, is anyone manufacturing after market bypasses for the RT? I was thinking of just pulling the cat converter and taking it to an exhaust shop and have them build me a drop-in replacement bypass.
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So, I must have missed what your decision was. I'm interested in doing this and there are a lot of variables, which I'm sure have been covered here. I'd be tempted to remove the CAT and see if some brave sole with a torch would just cut a hole in it and pour the stuff out. I don't even know if it's then possible to reweld it together with a patch or just forget that and make an elbow or what ever it needs and put the converter in a box, unless it is toxic. I have two friends who own muffler shops, guess I should check with them too.

Or, possibly the best idea is to forget this idea and watch the Green Bay/Seattle game. I don't even know how to spell procrastinator, but I think I'm becoming one!!

Interested in what you did.

Thanks :cheers:
Tuck
 
TuckMiddle said:
So, I must have missed what your decision was. I'm interested in doing this and there are a lot of variables, which I'm sure have been covered here. I'd be tempted to remove the CAT and see if some brave sole with a torch would just cut a hole in it and pour the stuff out. I don't even know if it's then possible to reweld it together with a patch or just forget that and make an elbow or what ever it needs and put the converter in a box, unless it is toxic. I have two friends who own muffler shops, guess I should check with them too.

Or, possibly the best idea is to forget this idea and watch the Green Bay/Seattle game. I don't even know how to spell procrastinator, but I think I'm becoming one!!

Interested in what you did.

Thanks :cheers:
Tuck
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Trying to gut this type of converter with 90 degree pipes in and out would be difficult to say the least. You also are destroying a $750 part that the next owner may very well want or even need depending on their state. The muffler shop angle is workable but can be tricky. Many muffler shops will turn you away instantly when they hear you're wanting to remove a cat. Given their liability with strict laws on cars, they don't care that it's a motorcycle and not needed in your state, they simply don't want to take any risk even if it's only perceived.
You might be more successful with a muffler shop if you removed the cat yourself and either brought the Spyder in minus cat for them to make a pipe or brought the cat in to use as a template for making the pipe. I'm going to try this with a local muffler shop next week when I have some time off. Of course it would be a heck of a lot easier if there was a bypass kit available at a reasonable price.
 
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catalytic converter

medicineman48 said:
A local muffler shop removed my cat and custom made a "Y" insert. The total cost $129. Just pulled a trailer for 868 miles and averaged 32 miles per gallon. Passenger was very happy at the lack of heat burning her feet. No tune up required. This is one of the best, if not best, change made to the spyder
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Guys, this is a fair price for removing the cat,making the y pipe & installing it.
Some muffler shops may want you to pull the cat then charge less for the
rest of the job. In the past the shops could get by with the change over by
calling the pipe a test kit. Testing for proper tuneing & performance. Have the pipe made & keep
the cat in case you need to reinstall it before going to the dealer with a problem.
Without it on the spyder you could have a problem .Removing the insides could also
cause a problem.Some of these aftermart people think they have to ream you out so
you will be happy. Just ask if they will supply the butt paste along with some of these
products.

spyder stryder
 
Good points

spyder stryder said:
Guys, this is a fair price for removing the cat,making the y pipe & installing it.
Some muffler shops may want you to pull the cat then charge less for the
rest of the job. In the past the shops could get by with the change over by
calling the pipe a test kit. Testing for proper tuneing & performance. Have the pipe made & keep
the cat in case you need to reinstall it before going to the dealer with a problem.
Without it on the spyder you could have a problem .Removing the insides could also
cause a problem.Some of these aftermart people think they have to ream you out so
you will be happy. Just ask if they will supply the butt paste along with some of these
products.

spyder stryder
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I'm going to run by a muffler place owned by a friend and GoldWing rider. I'll see what Harold has to say. Good point about saving the whole CAT unit.
:bowdown:
Tuck
 
dgnspyder said:
I have removed the Cat from my RT and replaced it with a really nice looking stainless Y pipe that was custom made. It was done by my dealer and the mechanic is a real craftsman. The sound is fantastic with the Cat gone, has some real attitude now but not super loud, it's deeper and throatier. I have left the standard muffler on as I think that the shape of it suits the bike. The standard muffler doesn't seem at all restrictive with the cat off, I think most of the restriction is in the cat. The weight of the cat is like a concrete block, unbelievable. I have also put the chrome front and rear on the muffler and it looks awesome. I am not going to fit an aftermarket slip on as I have a nice sound, great looks and improved performance with what I have done.
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Can you send pics?
 
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