Can we talk...

[flamingobabe]

RT versus RS, versus ST??
They feel like three completely different bikes...duh
The RTs are more like the four-door sedan that you throw the family in, and head for the other coast...
The RS feels like the sports car that you trot out on the weekends for a nice cruise on a twisty road on sunny days...
The ST... splits the difference rather well... (Think 4-door sports car!)
My point being that there's more difference than just the powerplants... The bikes are aimed at differenct parts of the market, and you may dig the big triple, and not the bike that's holding it up off of the ground... :shocked:

Bob...I have to disagree....RT = Lincoln 4 suicide door yacht..needs a bigger engine......RS = Maida..quick, cute and lots of fun....ST = Porsche Boxer with torque :dg2::dg2::dg2: ............PS....sure glad I don't have a missus to answer to

 

[daveinva]

I think there's a good chance the ST gets the 1330 at some point-- if not for 2015, then 2016. But I agree, even if the frame can accommodate it, the tupperware as currently designed may not... we'll see.

However, I will be surprised if the RS gets the 1330, at least not as it's currently tuned. While there's certainly a strong commercial argument to increase the commonality across the lines, I don't know if putting a larger engine with a different transmission into the RS would jack up the RS price too far to be competitive. Meaning, the base cost of the RT, and possibly the ST, could be high enough to "eat" the increased cost of the 1330 and 6-speed, but the RS price point may not have that margin, unless they only offer the 1330 as a higher-priced option (on, say, a 2015 RS-S?).

But my main theory about the future RS is that it will get a different engine altogether, one that's either 1) cheaper, to lower the RS price in order to sell more, or 2) faster/more sport-bike like, to increasingly differentiate the Spyder line-up.

The 1330 sounds like a great engine (on paper), but it most definitely does NOT sound like a sporty engine many buyers will want in the RS.

 

[OldDog]

2013 ST vs 2014

Question: Have you started "talking dollars" with a dealer yet?
2014 versus 2013; you might want to consider the 2013 if you can either get a HUGE discount, or get the dealer to upgrade it with those new body panels...
Just a thought...

Bob, dealers in my area don't have any 2013 ST's left of which I'm aware. RE: A.S.K. and Honda Suzuki of Jackson
I know there are deals to be had out of state, but I want to stay local if I can. Honda Suzuki of Jackson is forty miles from me. Their sales manager sold me my Honda Shadow 1100 when he was at another dealership. It will be Spring before I can start dealing seriously. Also Honda Suzuki of Jackson has a good reputation for Can Am service and has been recommended by several Ohio Spyder Riders.

Honda Suzuki of Jackson had half a dozen RT's for sale with $3000 discount and a RS-S with a $1000 discount. They are trying to move their 2013 inventory.

 

[jerpinoy]

They use the same frame because of the economies of scale... Lots of parts commonality saves on production costs! :thumbup:
I think that tucking everything the the sleeker and more compact bodywork would be the stumbling block... :shocked:

So 2014 will get the same steering bolts? links?:joke::joke::joke:

 

[Sny]

I agree the frame was changed to fit the 1330cc engine...so ST could easily have larger engine....I'm anxious to see if the "new enhanced air flow body panels help in pushing the air out of the Tupperware.... I'm waiting on response from BRP to see if they will allow me to test them....sent email Tuesday.....no answer yet...BRP you listening...reading...

I got my reply. In fewer words, they said no. Hope you have more clout with them.

 

[SpyderAnn01]

The RS and ST might get a new motor next year but I do not believe it will be the triple. Not enough room in the current configuration for a wider motor on these two lines.

But I must say I love both of our rydes and the ST is just plain fun to hop on and take a 'Quick' day trip or weekender with the wife.

I consider our 2012 RT Limited the Winnebago and our ST-S the Porsche.

Carl

Come on, couldn't you at least have referred to the RT as a Prevost instead of a Winnebago. :roflblack:

 

[quickster47]

Come on, couldn't you at least have referred to the RT as a Prevost instead of a Winnebago. :roflblack:

Okay, I'm convinced. I'm definitely going to change my reference. That thing is awesome just like our RT Limited.

Carl

 

[ARtraveler]

Question: Have you started "talking dollars" with a dealer yet?
2014 versus 2013; you might want to consider the 2013 if you can either get a HUGE discount, or get the dealer to upgrade it with those new body panels...
Just a thought...

I think you just came up with a brilliant idea. :thumbup: Anyone purchasing a new 2013 on close out sale should get the dealer to "throw in" the new body panels.

No--I have not forgot what I have said about the current owners and their dielema to get body panels also.

In short, all need em. Its where and how that is yet to be solved.

 

[Sny]

The bikes are aimed at differenct parts of the market, and you may dig the big triple, and not the bike that's holding it up off of the ground... :shocked:

That pretty much says it all.

The ST feels like the RS after adding all the touring farkles to it like so many GS/RS owners have done/did.

If 2015 will bring a new motor to the ST it might be worth the upgrade. Here's the thing:

BRP came out with several new ACE engines this year (2014) almost all were aimed at broader torque bands and higher efficiency/lower emissions.

The 900ACE peaks at 75 ft-lbs and will have more torque over the power band than the 991 motor in the 2013 models. Realistically it will probably be very similar in overall performance with a notable boost in low end performance and mileage. This seems like something BRP would do.

The 1330ACE peaks at 96 ft-lbs and 115HP and brings the RT's 1012 lbs ahead of the ST as far as straight line acceleration. It pulls harder at all rpm and 0-60 and 60-80 will be noticeably quicker than the 2013 ST. The RS is still faster but the margin has narrowed.

But if you put the 1330ACE it should "keep up with the Jones's"

All in all it's splitting hairs. These new motors don't add straight line performance, but they greatly enhance the riding experience and improve mileage. Nothing wrong with that.



BRP spent at least 2 years with test pilots (like Lamont:thumbup giving feedback. If there's an ST with a new motor, regardless of which one, they would already have it running around working some kinks out and someone here has tried it.

And they won't tell us unless we bribe them! Comeon, give it up! My wife makes some really good lemon squares. Just a yes or no answer. mmmmmmmmmm yummy.

 

[Sny]

Does it come with a disco ball?

 

[quickster47]

Does it come with a disco ball?

Probably the whole lighted dance floor as well. LoL

Carl

 

[Sny]

Probably the whole lighted dance floor as well. LoL

Well hey, I'm sold.

When are they adding these to the Spyder? Probably put them on the RT first too

 

[flamingobabe]

This is crazy....we have a disco ball on our patio....looking for pic

 

[Sny]

Maybe...

Maybe...

Maybe BRP will follow Honda and make a F6b out of the 2014 RT without the top case.

Hm. I'd consider that.

 

[r1100rider]

I have to disagree with some of the assumptions. The 2013 frames were all redesigned and all models, RS, ST and RT shared the exact same frame. Now it is my understanding that the exact same frame is used for all 2014 models except for motor mounts on the RT. So if I am correct there is no reason that the 1330 can't be put in a ST.

I have to agree that the triple should be no problem in a RS/ST there is plenty of width once the two raditiors are moved up front and im sure a cam and fuel mapping change could move the motor power band into a much different relm with todays M/C motors 150 to 160 hp would be easy

 

[flaggerphil]

about the 2014 ST now? All the hoopla about the RT is great! BRP may have a winner with it.

My taste is for the ST. My chances of getting a Spyder are looking better. Should I wait ANOTHER year for a ACE triple powered ST? I have no interest at all in a leftover 2013 for obvious reasons. Someone will get a hot deal on those.

Any speculation about what the 2014 ST's will be like? We have the aforementioned new side panels and beefier shocks. Will it be a much improved ride with more comfort and safety. Will the startup bugs be gone?

What are your thoughts? I would like to see the ST lineup pick up. It's being overshadowed by the RT. That's where the focus is. That's where BRP's money is right now.

:chat:

You STILL haven't bought one?

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: what's up with that? :shocked:

 

[Benggolf]

The RS and ST might get a new motor next year but I do not believe it will be the triple. Not enough room in the current configuration for a wider motor on these two lines.

But I must say I love both of our rydes and the ST is just plain fun to hop on and take a 'Quick' day trip or weekender with the wife.

I consider our 2012 RT Limited the Winnebago and our ST-S the Porsche.

Carl

I subscribe to your thinking Carl. Life is too short to wait for this and that. If it's good enough to "make your day", then it's worth the move. :clap: I Also believe there will never be the "perfect machine"; everything in this world is a compromise.

 

[OldDog]

Chestnuts roasting on an open fire...

You STILL haven't bought one?

All ribbing aside, I know my SL buddies are tired of my broken record whine about how my wife thinks its too much money for a toy. :banghead:
I'm hoping my luck will change next year. I could buy one tomorrow, seriously... nojoke

Anyway...

Does anyone know if the 2014 ST will carry over the band aid heat solution or will there be some real fixes such as:
rerouted header pipes, relocation of the cat converter , factory wrapping of the gas tank. Will the new side panels be enough air flow?

Anything new in this ongoing discussion?

 

[Bob Denman]

I would certainly guess that the new heat shield, coupled with the improved airflow offered up by the new body panels; should make it a non-issue! :thumbup: