BRP shipping updates..

[Danimal]

Captain... I personally know of people that changed their minds and got 100% of their deposit back. Why would a dealer NOT want to get the rest of the $16,000 NOW.... and then just sell your Spyder to one of the other thousand people in line?

I've heard numerous stories of people changing from the SE5 to the SM5, changing from a yellow to a red, etc...

It can be done. If your dealer is telling you NO.... then they are not being very helpful... or smart.

 

[captainryder]

Just for clarification:

The Pre-Order Certificate / Worksheet states on article No. 3 Submit a non-refundable deposit of $1000.00 to your dealer.

The dealer does not have to refund unless the roadster is not delivered by due date and you request in writing to cancel the Pre-Order. This (procedure) will be your sole remedy for not receiving a Spyder by November 30th..... as stated on same Pre-Order Certificate / Worksheet.

And from BRP News, dtd March 20, 2008, I quote:

For those owners who have already pre-ordered the Millennium Yellow or Full Moon Silver, but have not taken delivery, and want to change to the new Roadster Red color option must cancel their current Premiere Edition pre-order and start a new pre-order process at their dealership. Unfortunately those customers looking to swap will lose their place in receiving order at their dealer. The Roadster Red Spyder is not included in the limited Premiere Edition Spyder roadsters. This process also applies to the SE5 in Roadster Red.

A dealer might just want to keep the deposit of $1000.00 and sell the Spyder making $1000.00 more !

I'm frustrated but I hope it is like everyone says, when your number is called, you'll forget all about this.... I plan to wait for my SE5, Full Moon Silver, and I'm still optimistic that it will be before September. And then I"ll happily post a new thread.. "Got the Call today".

 

[Derwin]

All we can speak to is our own personal experience. When BRP first announced the Red option, I immediately called my dealer to change from Yellow to Red. He told me he would have to contact his rep to find out if this would affect my order. Well, guess what........It would have! He told me that if I changed my order from Yellow to Red, that I would LOSE MY PLACE IN LINE, and I would definately receive the Spyder at a later date.

As for now, MY certificate GUARANTEES delivery by SEPTEMBER 30, 2008. The dealer states that this date is still valid. The BRP website still states that this date is still valid. My question is this.....Why get people stirred-up about something that IS NOT OFFICIAL? Let's stick with the OFFICIAL dates that are on the BRP website. Anything else is nothing more than rumor and speculation.

Derwin

 

[Danimal]

I was NOT talking about PE orders... although I do know people that got their deposits back and/or made changes to their order.... took a Silver one instead of Yellow because of the longer wait.

There have been those that ordered the Red and just couldn't wait any longer and decided to take a yellow or silver off a dealers floor.

Most dealers have been pretty nice about giving deposits back as they know the Spyder will sell within a week.

For something NEW... like the red... or the SE5,,,, of course you would lose your place in line... as the red line is a different line!

I would not mind having the SE5... but I'm not willing to give up manually shifting... that is where I think they made a mistake..... the SE5 should allow manual shifting if you so desire. I'd get pretty bored on the thing if I wasn't able to shift.... :doorag:

As far as what is 'official'.... your contract and what you hear from your dealer is your 'official' information.

The dealers get their 'official' information from BOSSWEB.

BRP apparently gets their official information from down yonder..... ;D

 

[Derwin]

Danimal...... As I previously stated, the BOSSweb information may just have combined the two delivery dates together...those that ordered BEFORE 2/30 and those that ordered AFTER. It's a very reasonable explanation, and does not mean that the certificate dates will not be honored. The OFFICIAL word from BRP remains as shown on their website.

Here is an email I just received from my dealer:

Derwin-

If you would like a refund on your deposit let me know, I have many people that would gladly take your place. BRP intends on honoring your delivery date, and if they do not, the only recourse that you have is a refund of your deposit. We will work with you as much as we can, and at this point we still do not have a firm delivery date.

Regards,
Brett Cosich
General Manager
LAKE EFFECT POWERSPORTS
www.lepowersports.com
67990 W. M-152
Benton Harbor, MI 49022
269-944-5577 fax 269-944-1847

 

[Danimal]

Nice to see that they will give a refund now if you want one.. as I said... most dealers will let you out of the deal OR let you change to getting a SM5 or a different color... way before the end of the contract.

The key word I think you guys are forgetting is the word BY.

When BOSSWEB officially states "BY" November 30th. This doesn't negate what your paperwork says.

If you're really concerned about 'paying $4.00' a gallon the whole summer... I would get your $$$ back and you could start driving an SM5 within 2 weeks.... My dealer in Kalamazoo has TWO Spyders on the floor---- prepped and ready to drive off the floor.

The extra $1500 for the SE5 can go towards gas.... ;D

You could even get her painted red for $1500 or less..... or install a Pingle easy-shift.... and be all set....

So there are some options if either of you decide you can't wait the whole summer.

I was fortunate that my waiting time was during the winter... and there were PLENTY of people in the nice-weather parts of our country that were chomping at the bit to have their Spyder.

Either way you go... you'll be happy with the final product. In the meantime you can go to some of the rides and see if they have an SE5 for you to drive.... or even an SM5. I saw people that had never driven a motorcycle get on the SM5 and drive in the parking lot and they did just fine.....

 

[Derwin]

I already test drove the SM5, and I just could not get used to the clutch and shifting. That's why I placed my order for the SE5. My dealer seems to be a great guy, but he would not allow me to change colors without losing my place in line. The fact that there are many people (according to him) that would love to take my place in line, makes it easy for him to offer my deposit back. But I told him "No Way!".......keep my deposit. I want my Spyder! ;D

Derwin

 

[Danimal]

Yeah... hold on to that place....

Must be a nice problem to have for a salesman..... knowing they can sell them as fast as they can make them.

So much for the bad economy! ;D

I didn't know you test drove the SM5..... I thought maybe you were just intimidated by the idea of shifting. I prefer shifting on the bike to shifting in a car... hence why my daily car is automatic. For performance cars I would have a stick-shift. It's amazing how many people today have never driven a stick shift car. When I took Drivers Ed they had one car that was a stick.... and every 'team' of students had to at least use that car for a day. My teacher was surprized that I could shift flawlessly... of course I had been driving cars, tractors, motorcycles, etc... for many years by the time I was 16!

Now with lower back problems... I like the automatic for daily use... but the shifting on spydie doesn't bother me at all.

Do you know if the demo team has any SE5's on tour???

Are you going to Valcourt? I bet you could ryde one there!

 

[spyder#1]

derwin who is your dealer?

 

[Lamonster]

derwin who is your dealer?

Brett Cosich
General Manager
LAKE EFFECT POWERSPORTS
www.lepowersports.com
67990 W. M-152
Benton Harbor, MI 49022
269-944-5577 fax 269-944-1847

 

[czdaryle]

If things go as last time you will see other people who put their order in after you getting theirs first...happened to me and was the worst...waiting for 8 mths and someone else only waits two months?? never understand how the delivery worked.

By the way..I'm one of those that never rode a motorcycle(except for motorcycle school back in oct) and was nervous about riding the spyder. Took me about 3 rides to totally become comfortable. It was so easy I couldn't believe it...actually it is enjoyable doing the shifting now...just my thoughts

 

[Derwin]

I didn't know you test drove the SM5.....

Yeah, I test drove one when they had them in Wilmington, Illinois...right down the street from me. That's me sitting on the Spyder I drove. Like I said, I just could not get used to the clutch and the shifting. I'm sure I would have no problem with it if I gave it a few more spins. But when I seen the SE5, I KNEW that this is what I wanted to get.

Actually, I love driving a vehicle with stick shift. My first car was a manual transmission! But I can honestly say that I am one lazy sucker! I like all my cars to have an automatic transimission. ;D

Derwin

 

[pphantom538]

I have driven the SM5 on 3 seperate occasions. I ordered the SE5 because I prefer a paddle shift over the traditional clutch & left foot. Hate the wait but I feel it'll be worth it.

P

 

[trikester]

I'm still wondering what the big deal is over the SE5? If it is the shifting then I don't get it. The manual shifting on my Spyder works great! Maybe I'm just going from my experience with some of my antiques, which don't always shift well, but I find my Spyder to be precise and quick in shifting and easy to find neutral at the stop lights. Even in heavy, stop and go traffic, it's easy to shift down and up.

I think it would be better to buy an original Spyder now, and ride all summer, than to wait until the beginning of winter just to get the push button shifting. Of course I'm assuming, here, that the originals are shipping without a long wait now.

Frank

Of course I wasn't referring to anyone who has a physical problem that would interfer with using the manual shift. Several people posted about that and I fully understand why they would want the SE5, I would too. I was just wondering why a rider who could use the manual shift would want to wait until winter to get the trike with the automatic. I find the manual shift works great!

Frank

 

[Derwin]

I was just wondering why a rider who could use the manual shift would want to wait until winter to get the trike with the automatic.

Frank

The answer to your question is pretty obvious...... We simply WANT it. Why? There are several reasons, and they vary with each person. But for me it is simply because I want LESS to think about when I'm riding. If I don't have to think about pressing in the clutch, or downshifting, than this makes the ride more enjoyable to me. Of course, for you the clutch makes the ride more enjoyable. To each his own. Everybody has different tastes, and I think that's why BRP decided to come out with the SE5. It just opens up an entirely new market to them that would not exist otherwise.

Derwin

 

[pphantom538]

Derwin,
Well said. I have a convertible car, a quad, PWC and a 2 wheel bike. I want a different experience in the open air. Its about having options and personal preferences. Would like to ride it now but will wait to get exactly what I want.

 

[barb36jack31]

For Mark - Thanks for talking to that man who had lost his leg and thought he might never ride again. You gave him a new lease on life and the chance to again enjoy one of the greatest sports in this world. Well done!

Jack H.

 

[Danimal]

I agree the SE5 will be great for those situations where the person cannot shift for various reasons... just not my cup of tea.

If they had made it so you could still shift the 'normal' way.... that would be cool. :doorag:

To me it's a bit like having an automatic transmission on a sports car..... NO WAY !!! :barf:

Yeah yeah.. I know... the Spyder SE5 shifter is fast and cool, etc..... but to me it makes it more 'moped-like'.

We already have problems with the 'real' bikers calling it a snowmoped.... adding the auto won't help that image... not that I care that much what they think.

Shifting a motorcycle clutch should be a basic mechanical thing riders just 'do'.... You don't have to 'think' about it at all.... I don't even know I'm doing it.... it's just that natural.

I'm also a firm believer in "If you can't wrench it... don't ride it....".

You should know your bike inside and out... and those that can't do basic maintenance on a bike probably shouldn't have one.

I rode with a friend awhile back that has a Big Dog Classic (Harley compatable ;D ).... which broke down on the trip. He had no idea how to fix it... and had no tools. I ended up fixing it.

People like that on motorcycles SCARE me! :yikes:

You need to understand the workings of the bike to know whether or not something is wrong... before it's too late.

What happens on the SE5 when you have a problem at 70 mph on the highway and should pull in the clutch and come to a quick stop???

What does it do if your engine dies or you run out of gas?

What if the transmission has a failure and locks into a gear... you can't pull the clutch in and coast??

What about when you are ryding really hot in the twisties... and gripping the handlebar is top priority? Will you be able to shift without losing too much grip? With the SM5 you can simply shift with your foot... you don't always have to use the clutch (in motoX we rarely did!)... and I find many times when coming out of turns and going from 1st to 2nd it is not easy to clutch while doing a sharp turn.... so I don't.... just shift and go.

Will the SE5 have the same issue in a turn..you need to shift but need your hand keeping a grip during the turn??


I guess I would want to ryde one and find out all about these issues before going for one.

You would think they could have left the clutch and foot shifter on them for us 'old school' bikers.... ;D

 

[pphantom538]

Danimal,
I agree with your comments that we'll have to ride the SE different from the SM in some circumstances. Once there released to us, we'll learn that and adapt. Many vehicles have different characteristics (box trucks vs semis, pushing a plow vs. hauling a trailer, standard vs auto cars, inboard vs outboard boats etc.). Anyone operating any machine must know the capabilities and limitations or don't operated it. Its part of the fun.
And now I'll shut up.

 

[Derwin]

I agree the SE5 will be great for those situations where the person cannot shift for various reasons... just not my cup of tea.

That's fine. You should just leave it at that, and not put down people that have a different opinion.

To me it's a bit like having an automatic transmission on a sports car..... NO WAY !!! :barf:

Again.....your opinion, but definately not shared by those wanting an SE5. I could give my personal opinion about the SM5 Spyder, but I have a little more class then to offend those that like it.

Yeah yeah.. I know... the Spyder SE5 shifter is fast and cool, etc..... but to me it makes it more 'moped-like'.

This is a joke, plain and simple, right?

We already have problems with the 'real' bikers calling it a snowmoped.... adding the auto won't help that image... not that I care that much what they think.

Your worried about what others think about you when your riding? Pretty shallow, dude. Sorry, but I'm getting this for the pure enjoyment I will get out of it, now to better my "image" or anything like that. If you feel the same, than why mention it?

Shifting a motorcycle clutch should be a basic mechanical thing riders just 'do'.... You don't have to 'think' about it at all.... I don't even know I'm doing it.... it's just that natural.

Again, this is YOUR opinion, and it is YOUR preference. Others simply don't agree with you on this, and they don't have the same "natural" feeling on it as you do. I think you should just accept that some people don't feel the same as you, and not degrade them and put them down for wanting the SE5. It seems utterly ridiculous to me. That's MY opinion.

Derwin