BRP shipping updates..

[Danimal]

Um... Derwin..... EVERYTHING EVERYONE says out here is their OPINION... geesh.... take a pill.

Are we surpressing opinions out here now?

There are many that will agree and disagree with me on the SM5 vs. SE5.... just like F1 shields, Hindle Vs. Other, etc....

It's all about opinion and personal choice.

Almost ALL of us like how the Spyder looks and enjoy the attention... those who claim otherwise are not being honest... so YES... to some degree we ALL care what others think... and IMAGE does come in to play.

I don't see that my OPINION 'degrades' anyone..... take an opinion as just that.

I think the front of the Spyder is downright FUGLY... the trunk is too snow-mobile like. The rest of the bike is smooth and sleek... except the big honking trunk.

I'm tired of the 'snow-mobile' comments when I gas up... ugggg

I also think the yellow is hideous.... so what? If you like it... go for it.... but don't tell me I can't state an opinion. I mean.. it wasn't like I said things personally against YOU.

You already gave your opinion of the SM5.... you didn't like it because you had to think too much when shifting..... that doesn't offend me AT ALL.

I state opinions pretty direct to the point... maybe they are wrong... maybe they are right... maybe they change as time goes on... but they are MINE. If you don't like them.... feel free to NOT read them.....

You're lucky I sugercoat most of what I say.... ;D

I woudn't want to offend any delicate ears out here...... I know this forum is the "happy happy joy joy" place... but get real..... :hot:

In the real world people disagree and have different opinions.

If two people agree all the time..... you don't need one of the people.

 

[Derwin]

Um... Derwin..... EVERYTHING EVERYONE says out here is their OPINION... geesh.... take a pill.

Are we surpressing opinions out here now?

Nobodys suppressing opinion. But there is a difference between "opinion" and just being rude.

There are many that will agree and disagree with me on the SM5 vs. SE5.... just like F1 shields, Hindle Vs. Other, etc....

It's all about opinion and personal choice.

Absolutely! That's what a forum is all about.

Almost ALL of us like how the Spyder looks and enjoy the attention... those who claim otherwise are not being honest... so YES... to some degree we ALL care what others think... and IMAGE does come in to play.

Well, in your last post, you said that you didn't care about what anybody thinks. ?

I don't see that my OPINION 'degrades' anyone..... take an opinion as just that.

When you first stated your opinion about the SE5, you got your point across. But when you continue to harp on the thing, and then state that it makes you "barf"......and then press the question as to why would anyone even want one......then that's going beyond stating an opinion. It seems you want to really make people feel a notch lower than you just because they want an SE5. Now that's MY opinion!

I'm tired of the 'snow-mobile' comments when I gas up... ugggg

Well, then I guess you have a problem with the design of the Spyder itself that has nothing to do with the SE5 model. Personally, I couldn't care less what people say to me when I'm at a gas station. Right now I am riding around town on a 150cc scooter, and I get some weird looks from people. There's a bar here in Elwood that a lot of bikers go to, and I can imagine what they think when they see me scooting around! But who cares? I've gone beyond that mentality in my life.

I also think the yellow is hideous.... so what? If you like it... go for it.... but don't tell me I can't state an opinion. I mean.. it wasn't like I said things personally against YOU.

Sorry, but it's just a matter of having a bit of class. You may not like some of the members paint-jobs either, but do you go and post that the paint job they just got looks hideous? I hope not. Even if in your opinion it looks like crap, we should have the decency to not express that, and keep it to ourselves. Again, it's a matter of having class.

You already gave your opinion of the SM5.... you didn't like it because you had to think too much when shifting..... that doesn't offend me AT ALL.

The difference is...I did NOT ask you why in the world you would want the SM5 when you can get the SE5! I stated MY opinion that I can't get used to the clutch and shifting, without saying anything derogatory. Actually, I was stating something inadaquete about MYSELF, but not the Spyder.

I woudn't want to offend any delicate ears out here...... I know this forum is the "happy happy joy joy" place... but get real..... :hot: In the real world people disagree and have different opinions.

If two people agree all the time..... you don't need one of the people.

It's not about "agreeing" with others, or being "happy, happy, joy, joy". It's about being decent toward others even when you don't really think the paint job they got done is good, or the machine they are getting is good in your opinion. What good does it do to tell people stuff like that? If our opinion tears into another person's personal choice, then I just don't understand what is accomplished. I'll repeat...... It's a matter of being decent and polite.

Now that's MY opinion!

Derwin





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[NancysToy]

It's not about "agreeing" with others, or being "happy, happy, joy, joy". It's about being decent toward others even when you don't really think the paint job they got done is good, or the machine they are getting is good in your opinion. What good does it do to tell people stuff like that? If our opinion tears into another person's personal choice, then I just don't understand what is accomplished. I'll repeat...... It's a matter of being decent and polite.

Now that's MY opinion!

Derwin

Amen, Derwin! Well said. Harsh words cause bad feelings. Who needs them? I prefer good manners, myself. Maybe we should just let this thread die right here and now, and start over. How about it guys?
-Scotty

 

[Roaddog2]

REALITY CHECK!

BRP conceived, designed, developed, produced, manufactured and brought to market a three-wheeled vehicle offering an open-air riding experience completely different from anything else ever offered in a production vehicle in a time frame that almost boggles the mind. The Spyder comes from a reputable, world-wide manufacturer and sports unmatched performance, comfort, safety, styling and most importantly, PRICE! The daring in this venture cannot be overstated -- especially when you consider the litigious society in which we live here in the US.

Compared to any of the custom (perhaps soon to be production if the rumors about Harley Davidson are true) offerings in the traditional three-wheeler market, the Spyder is so far ahead in terms of price, performance, technology and safety, there is literally no competition. Trust me, I've ridden products from all the major trike producers...

With a bare minimum of training, literally anyone with a bit of common sense and caution can climb aboard a Spyder and have a ball while riding quickly and safely. That's because the product engineers at BRP incorporated a remarkable feature on the Spyder called the Vehicle Stability System (VSS). Combined with anti-lock brakes and traction control, VSS makes riding the Spyder an almost care-free experience. Some complain about the "nanny" preventing them from having fun, but if you ever have the VSS kick in on a busy three-lane interstate preventing a spin out in traffic at highway speed, you'll never complain about the nanny again! Ask me how I know...

There is no question BRP stumbled a bit in the marketing department. Broken promises, so-called "misunderstandings," trouble with counting, etc. have all led -- justifiably -- to wariness, bitterness and outright mistrust on the parts of some customers. That's probably why in this case a rumor alone is enough to raise hackles for some folks. The reality is we have no official word from BRP as yet, so we don't know for sure projected delivery dates have changed.

Incompetence? In the marketing department, no doubt. But if I had to choose an area for BRP to be incompetent, I would definitely rather it be in marketing than in design, development, styling, production and cost. I'm as disappointed as the next that BRP stumbled, but five out of six ain't bad!

In my opinion, a stumble in marketing does not detract from the excellence in technology, performance, safety, styling and cost that is the Spyder.

Regards,

Mark

:agree:

 

[Danimal]

Well.. I think this whole thing got blown out of proportion....

A few things:

"Well, in your last post, you said that you didn't care about what anybody thinks. ?"

What I said was I didn't care what the 'real' riders thought -- as in... the hardcore HD crowd.

" It seems you want to really make people feel a notch lower than you just because they want an SE5."

You're reading WAY too much into my post if you feel that!. You'll have a more expensive Spyder than I do... and that gives me a superiority complex how?

I hope you enjoy your SE5.. and I'm sure you will... but I've heard (maybe not from you) whining about the delivery dates and delays.... etc..... when there is a sure fire way to solve the delay problem... buy an SM5 if the wait is that bad.

"Sorry, but it's just a matter of having a bit of class. You may not like some of the members paint-jobs either, but do you go and post that the paint job they just got looks hideous? I hope not. Even if in your opinion it looks like crap, we should have the decency to not express that, and keep it to ourselves. Again, it's a matter of having class."


Whatever.... I guess I'm a bit tougher skinned than others.....

Heck.. many people have called me a WIMP or a WUSS (including the owner of this forum) because I'm not going to make the 12 hour(each way) ryde to Valcourt... but you don't see me whining and complaining... I brush it off and move on.


You seem to be unable to read a post without mis-intrepeting the TONE of the poster and then you take it personally.

I guess I'll read all of my posts twice and make sure there isn't ANY possible way they might offend you.... ;D


There are over 3,000 members at CAT now... and I can say that people share opinions in an open manner... and yes some people will say things directly like 'that is fugly' .... but it doesn't cause some big uproar. We're all adults (at least according to our drivers licenses) and can handle someone not liking our mods, color, shields, etc....

 

[Star Cruiser]

I agree the SE5 will be great for those situations where the person cannot shift for various reasons... just not my cup of tea.

If they had made it so you could still shift the 'normal' way.... that would be cool. :doorag:

To me it's a bit like having an automatic transmission on a sports car..... NO WAY !!! :barf:

Yeah yeah.. I know... the Spyder SE5 shifter is fast and cool, etc..... but to me it makes it more 'moped-like'.

I think that the SE5 is more analagous to a Formula 1 (with paddle shift) than a Sports car. There is the technology to SHIFT quickly and accurately. Just about all high end sports cars are now paddle shift, rather than "stick" shift. I cannot personally shift with my foot, but the technology being available, I would like to take it anyway.

My Crossfire (also a roadster - ) has autostick. Like the Spyder, you must shift gears, just such accurate synco that you don't need a clutch. It is far from "automatic"
Even the "other" Spyder - by Maserati sports a paddle shift

 

[Danimal]

Kewl stuff.... I wonder if they even disengage the clutch?

I'm thinking the SE5 doesn't.

 

[Derwin]

Amen, Derwin! Well said. Harsh words cause bad feelings. Who needs them? I prefer good manners, myself. Maybe we should just let this thread die right here and now, and start over. How about it guys?
-Scotty

Thanks. Sounds good to me. :bigthumbsup:

Derwin