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are we sending a mixed message
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ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Oh Yes. And they keep on coming. Here go our wallets again taxpaying people.
Dan_Ashley
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Hidden in every act of compassion toward the poor is the danger that it will perpetuate the underlying causes of poverty. How do we keep our actions in response to our compassion from denying the societal changes that justice demands? How can we, as a compassionate people, promote justice, rule of law, and economic freedom for others, while simultaneously safe guarding our own limited freedoms and means?
This is an extremely complex problem, and may be one that has no viable answer. If that is true, then there are no solutions to the problems, and all that exists in dealing with it is a series of temporary strategies. American society does not embrace time constrained temporary strategies easily. We live in an "instant" culture. Sick? Take a pill. Bored? Flip the channel. Hot or cold? Push a button on the thermostat.
Living in an "instant" culture is good. I wish all people could enjoy life like this. I really do. But regardless of my wishes, most people alive today cannot live like we do. Unfortunately, we cannot help all of them--we simply cannot afford to.
Yet, helping only a few seems unjust to the many. So, what should we do? One answer might be to initiate a country re-building program, such as what we did after World War II. A mini-Marshall plan.
A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation at all. Maybe by recognizing we are a sovereign nation, and protecting our borders we can protect our way of life, and by helping other nations through mini-Marshall plans we could put our compassion into action.
This is an extremely complex problem, and may be one that has no viable answer. If that is true, then there are no solutions to the problems, and all that exists in dealing with it is a series of temporary strategies. American society does not embrace time constrained temporary strategies easily. We live in an "instant" culture. Sick? Take a pill. Bored? Flip the channel. Hot or cold? Push a button on the thermostat.
Living in an "instant" culture is good. I wish all people could enjoy life like this. I really do. But regardless of my wishes, most people alive today cannot live like we do. Unfortunately, we cannot help all of them--we simply cannot afford to.
Yet, helping only a few seems unjust to the many. So, what should we do? One answer might be to initiate a country re-building program, such as what we did after World War II. A mini-Marshall plan.
A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation at all. Maybe by recognizing we are a sovereign nation, and protecting our borders we can protect our way of life, and by helping other nations through mini-Marshall plans we could put our compassion into action.
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Bob Denman
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I've got folks up here who SWEAR that if they had the chance; they'd man the machine gun bunkers, and lay a couple of hundred of them down...
Hopefully; the rest would get the message...
They actually say that Mexico, (Or wherever they're coming from...) would have no argument; we would just call it an invasion force... :shocked:
Hopefully; the rest would get the message...
They actually say that Mexico, (Or wherever they're coming from...) would have no argument; we would just call it an invasion force... :shocked:
PrairieSpyder
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"Mixed messages" - ya think?
Machine gunning them is just wrong . . But it is certainly an invasion!
Machine gunning them is just wrong . . But it is certainly an invasion!
Bob Denman
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I didn't say that I'd be manning one; but I've got some folks up here who feel rather strongly about the subject... :shocked:
IdahoMtnSpyder
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My brothers repeatedly comment about what we saw back in 1997 on the Finland/Russia border, a no-man's land and sentry towers about every 1000 feet. If a person was caught crossing they stood a good chance of being shot. The big problem I see with this approach is that it was the Russians who did the shooting to keep Russians from doing the crossing. No Finn in his right mind had any reason to sneak into Russia.
Now, if Mexico were willing to set up the no-man's land and sentry towers illegal crossing would stop. But Mexico doesn't want to keep their people inside Mexico by force. I could be wrong but the tightest borders around the world are those designed to keep people in, not those that keep people out. As long as the Mexican government doesn't care if, or even wants, their citizens to leave, we're screwed.
Now, if Mexico were willing to set up the no-man's land and sentry towers illegal crossing would stop. But Mexico doesn't want to keep their people inside Mexico by force. I could be wrong but the tightest borders around the world are those designed to keep people in, not those that keep people out. As long as the Mexican government doesn't care if, or even wants, their citizens to leave, we're screwed.
Dan_Ashley
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Monetary remittances to Mexico from the US is the second largest source of income for Mexico. The remittances are number two--right behind oil exports.
ValCruzSpyder
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Just My Two Cents
At one end of the United States we erect a fence and say "Stay Out." At the other, we have a statue that proclaims "Give me your tired, your poor/ Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free/The wretched refuse of your teeming shore/Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me/I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Now, you tell me...Are we sending mixed messages? Getting a little tired of these one-sided discussions. I'm out of this one.
At one end of the United States we erect a fence and say "Stay Out." At the other, we have a statue that proclaims "Give me your tired, your poor/ Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free/The wretched refuse of your teeming shore/Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me/I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Now, you tell me...Are we sending mixed messages? Getting a little tired of these one-sided discussions. I'm out of this one.
jcthorne
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I find that interesting actually. Down here the sentiment is pretty much the boarders should have been closed and defended long ago. Do something about it or we are. But there is also the feeling that the real problem and the reason things do not get done is that most of the northern states don't see it as any real problem, or at least not a problem for THEM.
Perhaps its more that Washington is not listening to ANY of us.
ValCruzSpyder
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Just think for a moment....
If it were the other way around.
If it were the other way around.
Bob Denman
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Maybe all of these illegals shold be sent to D.C., and put up in the Lincoln room... :shocked:
Mspiv
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And look what happened to the native Americans because they did not do this.
Bob Denman
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So what should we do? :dontknow:
Is anybody going to head back to their family's Country of Origin; with a sincere apology to the Natives that were displaced?
You can't "Unring a Bell"; you can only learn from past mistakes... :shocked:
Is anybody going to head back to their family's Country of Origin; with a sincere apology to the Natives that were displaced?
You can't "Unring a Bell"; you can only learn from past mistakes... :shocked:
Rob Rodriguez
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This doesn't seem like a complex issue at all to me.
There are legal ways to enter this country. If you enter illegally then you should be sent back to your home country. That is the law. Send these people home. Period!
If there are issues in your home country you are fleeing from then you should make a stand and try and change what is happening in your own country. That's exactly how the USA came to be.
As for the work they do and people that are US citizens not wanting to do it. In my opinion that's a huge problem in this country and a lot of it stems back to entitlements. Stop handing out my tax dollars to anyone with their hand out and these people will start working. They get hungry enough they will work. In the current situation people riding the entitlement wagon have no reason to get off. They make more money not working than a person who is actually working.
The politicians in the white house don't care about this country. They care about themselves. They haven't been doing their jobs for years and no one seems to care. Things just keep rolling on status quo. When are the legal citizens of the USA going to make a stand and say "enough is enough" and clean house in Washington so we can put this country on the correct path again?
There are legal ways to enter this country. If you enter illegally then you should be sent back to your home country. That is the law. Send these people home. Period!
If there are issues in your home country you are fleeing from then you should make a stand and try and change what is happening in your own country. That's exactly how the USA came to be.
As for the work they do and people that are US citizens not wanting to do it. In my opinion that's a huge problem in this country and a lot of it stems back to entitlements. Stop handing out my tax dollars to anyone with their hand out and these people will start working. They get hungry enough they will work. In the current situation people riding the entitlement wagon have no reason to get off. They make more money not working than a person who is actually working.
The politicians in the white house don't care about this country. They care about themselves. They haven't been doing their jobs for years and no one seems to care. Things just keep rolling on status quo. When are the legal citizens of the USA going to make a stand and say "enough is enough" and clean house in Washington so we can put this country on the correct path again?
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