are we sending a mixed message

[Bob Denman]

This doesn't seem like a complex issue at all to me.

There are legal ways to enter this country. If you enter illegally then you should be sent back to your home country. That is the law. Send these people home. Period!

If there are issues in your home country you are fleeing from then you should make a stand and try and change what is happening in your own country. That's exactly how the USA came to be.

As for the work they do and people that are US citizens not wanting to do it. In my opinion that's a huge problem in this country and a lot of it stems back to entitlements. Stop handing out my tax dollars to anyone with their hand out and these people will start working. They get hungry enough they will work. In the current situation people riding the entitlement wagon have no reason to get off. They make more money not working than a person who is actually working.

The politicians in the white house don't care about this country. They care about themselves. They haven't been doing their jobs for years and no one seems to care. Things just keep rolling on status quo. When are the legal citizens of the USA going to make a stand and say "enough is enough" and clean house in Washington so we can put this country on the correct path again?

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Thank you fro saying this!

 

[ARtraveler]

I think some are missing the big picture here.

I have no problem with people coming to our country to become citizens, contribute their knowledge, work at a job, and become taxpayers like most of us who already came here. Three out of four of my grand parents came from the "old country." Norway & England.

My problem with the current immigration fiasco is the fact that those coming over mostly do not have any intention of getting jobs, or becoming taxpayers.

They end up on the welfare wagon, they get free education, medical care, and then begin to procreate another generation that does the same thing. Where does it all end? Look at places like California--going broke from all the money they pay out. Look at Detroit--they turned off the water to 200,000 or so homes that were behind in their bills.

Politically they are allowed to vote and have caused some of the problems we now have. Just like the good ol days in Chicago. Pay someone to vote early and vote often. Many elections were won just that way.

 

[Bob Denman]

NONE of what they get is "free"... :shocked:
We the taxpayors; take it right in the neck, for them! :gaah:

 

[ARtraveler]

NONE of what they get is "free"... :shocked:
We the taxpayors; take it right in the neck, for them! :gaah:

Yep! I said that in the first reply to this post. :thumbup:

 

[cuznjohn]

rick perry announced today that he is sending 1000 national guard people to the border, it's a start at 12 mil a month

 

[Mexican]

And here comes the expert on this matter, now, how many of us actually know what we are talking about here, i have been on both sides of the border and i can tell you a thing or two about the subject, i can see one or two wrong comments already. The sad truth is that human beings are no different than the animals in Africa, just look at a heard of elephants, when food and water runs scarce where they are the migrate to another water hole, the people from the south, including Mexico are forced to make that decision by the Mexican government, the drug cartels and lately by los zetas, for those of you who think, by looking at the cartoon, that it is that easy to cross the border, you are very wrong, we (the Mexicans) all know at least one person who lost his life trying to cross and suffered the most terrible of deaths in the desert and was eaten sometimes while he was still alive by the wild animals, we also all know somebody that was kidnaped, raped and killed by the zetas, we also know somebody that came to this great country, put some money together, went back home to start a small bussines and had to close it or got killed for not paying the monthly "protection" to the gangs.
As a US Citizen, i can also see this side of the fence, i see that the people coming to the States is taking from us here, and i wish like hell i could help and i do what i can but is no where near enough, sometimes i feel guilty of having what i have and a lot more than what i need.
What i can tell you is this;, There is no other person in the world more proud to be an American that the one that had to go thru hell and back to get here, jumped thru all the hoops got a job and accomplish the citizenship, this is the best country in the world, it has treated me great and for that i am very greatful:cheers:

 

[wyliec]

I can honestly say that I don't know the answer to the problem, and I'm not saying there isn't one. I can also say that most of you whom have posted here don't have any good idea either. I do see a lot of hate though, especially when someone comes on here and says he knows some who would man the machine guns. JMO.

Mexican,

I say good for you. My father and his family came from Bilbao (across the sea, not the border) and they went through quite a bit also.

 

[Dan_Ashley]

I think some are missing the big picture here.

I have no problem with people coming to our country to become citizens, contribute their knowledge, work at a job, and become taxpayers like most of us who already came here. Three out of four of my grand parents came from the "old country." Norway & England.

My problem with the current immigration fiasco is the fact that those coming over mostly do not have any intention of getting jobs, or becoming taxpayers.

They end up on the welfare wagon, they get free education, medical care, and then begin to procreate another generation that does the same thing. Where does it all end? Look at places like California--going broke from all the money they pay out. Look at Detroit--they turned off the water to 200,000 or so homes that were behind in their bills.

Politically they are allowed to vote and have caused some of the problems we now have. Just like the good ol days in Chicago. Pay someone to vote early and vote often. Many elections were won just that way.

About 50% of California's budget goes to health care for the poor. 50%

 

[flaggerphil]

What do you expect when the USDA advertises food stamps in south America. Yes, that's true.

I've never heard that one before. Do you have a link?

 

[Dan_Ashley]

... i wish like hell i could help and i do what i can but is no where near enough, sometimes i feel guilty of having what i have and a lot more than what i need...

Read my post above--number 3--maybe there is a way to meet our need for border sovereignty, our need to show compassion, and the needs of those people living in our neighboring Latin American countries. I doubt if our broken government could think this through sufficiently to enact such a plan. Even though I've lost most of my previous hopefulness, I pray that God will strike them with wisdom. It is inhuman to turn our back on these people. It is folly to have open borders.

 

[wyliec]

Here's one of many.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...ppropriations-Committee-claims-of-prohibition

I had to read through a bunch of links before I understood what was going on.

This is the one that explains who actually would get food stamps-

http://www.reddit.com/r/DebunkThis/comments/1vcuer/has_anyone_debunked_this_yet_omnibus_spending/


flaggerphil,

Were you as confused as I was thinking that the ads were in Mexico, and anyone could apply?

The original link is just some more B.S. to stir the pot. IMHO

 

[Mexican]

Read my post above--number 3--maybe there is a way to meet our need for border sovereignty, our need to show compassion, and the needs of those people living in our neighboring Latin American countries. I doubt if our broken government could think this through sufficiently to enact such a plan. Even though I've lost most of my previous hopefulness, I pray that God will strike them with wisdom. It is inhuman to turn our back on these people. It is folly to have open borders.

The way to prevent people from coming to the States illegally is very simple but neither the US government or the Mexican government want to stop it, it don't even have to be blood involved, all the US government need to do is;
If you get caught crossing the border you get an automatic 5 year sentence,
if you hire an liiegal alien to work for you, you get your bussines confiscated, pay a 100,000 fine and spend 5 years in jail.
The Mexicans and Latin Americans come here looking for work, no work availabe means no reason to cross the border, am i right?

 

[Dan_Ashley]

The way to prevent people from coming to the States illegally is very simple but neither the US government or the Mexican government want to stop it, it don't even have to be blood involved, all the US government need to do is;
If you get caught crossing the border you get an automatic 5 year sentence,
if you hire an liiegal alien to work for you, you get your bussines confiscated, pay a 100,000 fine and spend 5 years in jail.
The Mexicans and Latin Americans come here looking for work, no work availabe means no reason to cross the border, am i right?

I agree. However, if we had a responsibility to Germany and Japan after WWII, and if we have a responsibility to any other country today (witnessed by our military involvement, foreign aid, AIDS support, etc). Then do we not have a greater responsibility to our neighboring countries? I think we do. And I also think that any refusal on our part to recognize that responsibility will result in unexpected blowback.

 

[jerpinoy]

:dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow:but I'm sure we'll think and do the right thing for all of us. I want to know how Costa Rican run their country without arm forces. Border Patrol?

 

[Bob Denman]

:dontknow: How did Germany, Japan, and the Costa Ricans sneak in here? :dontknow:
Are they streaming over the border also?? :yikes:

 

[wyliec]

:dontknow: How did Germany, Japan, and the Costa Ricans sneak in here? :dontknow:
Are they streaming over the border also?? :yikes:

Dan_Ashley makes a good point. Obviously you don't think so; you're entitled to your opinion as is Dan_Ashley. As for Costa Rica, I've been there and liked it. I've no idea how it relates.

 

[Bob Denman]

I guess that I just don't see how the efforts to re-build the World after a Major War, apply as a precedent... :dontknow:
My cynical mind sees this invasion as an attack by the drug cartels; nothing more.
The children are simply being used to overwhelm the Border Agents
This gives the cartels the chance to move their poison into the Country unchallenged...
They don't care about those kids; they're just a, "means to an end"...:gaah:

 

[wyliec]

I guess that I just don't see how the efforts to re-build the World after a Major War, apply as a precedent... :dontknow:
My cynical mind sees this invasion as an attack by the drug cartels; nothing more.
The children are simply being used to overwhelm the Border Agents
This gives the cartels the chance to move their poison into the Country unchallenged...
They don't care about those kids; they're just a, "means to an end"...:gaah:

The words humanitarian, and sense of responsibility come to mind. The drug cartels are doing just fine without the overwhelming border crossings.

I read an article that it's (border crossings) a ploy to increase the votes for the democrats because illegals are allowed to vote. Most of what you read is half truths, just liked the link someone posted here and I checked out.

 

[retread]

I tend to stay away from things like this. But, when humanitarian and sense of responsibility come to mind... We have responsibility and humanitarian things owed to our own citizens, FIRST, the idea that we owe it to others needs to be put in perspective. If they come here, and drain our resources, how will we take care of our own?
I'm not talking about the leeches, but our Vetrens, our kids, our own.
john

 

[Bob Denman]

*BING* :agree: