Anybody explored getting more Negative Camber on Spyders?

[Isopedella]

Bit of background I guess. I usually ask for my vehicles up with a slight negative camber over the oem specs getting a wheel alignment. Yes I guess there is a little loss in the mileage obtained and you do have to be aware and steer it depending the camber of the road at times but the trade off is for me substantial with the improved cornering ability.

Now, looking at these Spyders.... Has anyone explored how to achieve this? Will adjusting the preload effect on the camber at all?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Bit of background I guess. I usually ask for my vehicles up with a slight negative camber over the oem specs getting a wheel alignment. Yes I guess there is a little loss in the mileage obtained and you do have to be aware and steer it depending the camber of the road at times but the trade off is for me substantial with the improved cornering ability.

Now, looking at these Spyders.... Has anyone explored how to achieve this? Will adjusting the preload effect on the camber at all?

There were ( a long time ago ) some folks ( me included ) adding shims under the front suspension attachment bolts. I t was debated whether it did enough to make a difference. ..... I didn't think it did..... JMHO ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[Isopedella]

Ta Mike. I finally found that old post but wont resurrect it. Haha another Kiwi I see, dam colonials.

I see it talks about fixing mixed cambers and righting it....soooo...

You said you tried it out. How many shims or what distance did you try? Did you get a measure of the finished camber at all?

 

[Isopedella]

For some of you Blokes and Sheilas up North wondering what the .....

We have no interstate here in NZ like you do up there. Down here the roads are all corners from top to bottom, and gravel at times. So hence my thoughts.

I know it will never corner like a 675 Daytona but just maybe it can be improved.

:cheers: 28C here or 82 f or so here at 15-33hrs. Jobs completed. Fast approaching Brown O'clock for medicinal purposes to keep my fluids up.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Ta Mike. I finally found that old post but wont resurrect it. Haha another Kiwi I see, dam colonials.

I see it talks about fixing mixed cambers and righting it....soooo...

You said you tried it out. How many shims or what distance did you try? Did you get a measure of the finished camber at all?

Nope & nope ..... I didn't write anything down & it was soooooooooooooooooo long ago I can't remember ( :dontknow::lecturef_smilie:..... I wasn't really impressed by the difference ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[Isopedella]

haha. ok.

I see I have quite a bit of adjustment there so I will crank them to the max available and see what happens. Go from there.

After all what can possibly go wrong?

 

[UtahPete]

Nope & nope ..... I didn't write anything down & it was soooooooooooooooooo long ago I can't remember ( :dontknow::lecturef_smilie:..... I wasn't really impressed by the difference ..... Mike :thumbup:

Mike, didn't you come up with a bracket to change the camber on your bike?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Mike, didn't you come up with a bracket to change the camber on your bike?

I have pics in one of my albums ..... the black one was for the 08 thru 12 frame and the white one was for the 13 & up...... The bracket was used to change ( IE. DECREASE ) the angle of the front shocks ( more up-right ) ... and this actually worked .... To change the wheel camber shims were put on the attachment Bolts from the " A " arms to the wheel HUB ..... the pic above from " Isopedella ".... has nothing to do with what I was referring to ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[Isopedella]

Yes. I think your post was trying to counter what I am trying to achieve it seems. Negative camber.

My 08 GS suffered from inside tire wear not really too bad 14,000 mi and re-placed them. I tried camber adjustment shims and there was a slight improvement ( and yes I know BRP says it can't be done but that's just plain B.S.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Yes. I think your post was trying to counter what I am trying to achieve it seems. Negative camber.

My 08 GS suffered from inside tire wear not really too bad 14,000 mi and re-placed them. I tried camber adjustment shims and there was a slight improvement ( and yes I know BRP says it can't be done but that's just plain B.S.

well BRP didn't provide adjustment .... soooooooooooooooo they didn't want anyone to do it :roflblack: ..... I have read about the INSIDE tire wear issue ... It can be corrected using the " tie rods " ...... good luck .... Mike :thumbup:

 

[Isopedella]

Tie rods would be toe in and not neg camber wouldn't it?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Tie rods would be toe in and not neg camber wouldn't it?

To the best of my knowledge roflblack: ) .... " Tie rods " don't adjust camber ( or castor ) ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Yes. I think your post was trying to counter what I am trying to achieve it seems. Negative camber.

My 08 GS suffered from inside tire wear not really too bad 14,000 mi and re-placed them. I tried camber adjustment shims and there was a slight improvement ( and yes I know BRP says it can't be done but that's just plain B.S.

" counter neg. camber " ..... No, my brackets were designed to ONLY change the front shock ANGLE ..... I Kept the OEM ground clearance..... what I had told Pete was ....My brackets could change the ground clearance + or -, it would depend on where the Hole for the upper shock eye would be. ..... my thought was, even tho He had custom shocks/springs made for the weight He was planning on carrying...... I don't think enough ground clearance was built in to them to allow for His weight. My bracket could change that Without changing the camber or castor..... If a rider needed more seat height, they could put a firm pillow under their Butt and nothing in the suspension would change....... I hope this clarifies things ..... Mike :thumbup:.....PS , if you haven't looked at my Brackets I think that would help

 

[Peteoz]

" counter neg. camber " ..... No, my brackets were designed to ONLY change the front shock ANGLE ..... I Kept the OEM ground clearance..... what I had told Pete was ....My brackets could change the ground clearance + or -, it would depend on where the Hole for the upper shock eye would be. ..... my thought was, even tho He had custom shocks/springs made for the weight He was planning on carrying...... I don't think enough ground clearance was built in to them to allow for His weight. My bracket could change that Without changing the camber or castor..... If a rider needed more seat height, they could put a firm pillow under their Butt and nothing in the suspension would change....... I hope this clarifies things ..... Mike :thumbup:.....PS , if you haven't looked at my Brackets I think that would help

I believe you are correct that the Ikons, while being some 5mm longer than stock, and much more robust, were still a bit short for a rider my size, Mike. That is why Ikon started producing the 10mm longer shocks for riders who requested them. They limited them to 10mm as that didn’t affect toe angle, but gave you a little more underbody height. You could buy them outright (and I would have, if I knew they existed……they aren’t a stocked item) or you could send your shocks back and have them modified to 10mm longer for basically the cost of shipping. I didn’t want to do that, which is why I went the “Preload” route. Ikon did say that the only mod available on the Spyder was toe in or out.

Pete

 

[SkipH]

Has anyone put more caster in the front wheels, My thinking that more caster would make the bike more stable going down the road.