990cc 2008 Spyder SE5 vs 1330cc 2017 F3-S Spyder

[SERGIU]

Hello,

I just want to know the differences, just on the road, between these two. Witch one is quicker, faster, etc.

2 cyl 990cc on 316kg bike or 1330cc 3 cyl on 410kg bike? No such a big dif, only 15hp, and 30nm torgue.

sergiu

 

[blacklightning]

The 990 is actually only a 2 cyl, but you are correct with the 1330 being a 3cyl. I owned a 2012 RSS with the 990 and swore that it was quicker. But when I took my 2016 F3T (1330) and a friend's 2015 RSS (990) to the track, the 1330 was obviously faster. And when you consider the F3S is lighter than the F3T, the 1330 should be a clear winner. But I will say, I still like the RSS and might get another one some day. Atleast the sound a lot better, even stock. No matter what is done to the 1330, it just doesn't sound good to me. It is nice for cruising, but if you want a muscular sound, it just doesn't get it.

 

[ARtraveler]

IMO, the overall performance is pretty similar.

I had two RS (2008 and 2009).

Personally, I like the 1330 better, have had four of them now. When we had one of each, Linda said that I seemed to be a bit faster than her on the uptake. The mpg is about 10 mpg better on the 1330.

Cost wise--08 and 09's are going for $6K to $8K is most situations. Now discontinued, and parts may become an issue.

 

[SERGIU]

thx both for your opinion, 2008 Spyder is 100kg lighter than F3 S and only 15hp and 30nm torque more...

I would say the difference is to small for the money,

s.

 

[blacklightning]

One more thing to keep in mind is that in 2008-2012, the 2 cyl was a 990 with 106 hp and 77 tq. But in 2013 up, the 2 cyl got a 998 which is 100 hp and 80 tq. Still not much difference, but something that most don't consider.

 

[VStarRider]

One more thing to keep in mind is that in 2008-2012, the 2 cyl was a 990 with 106 hp and 77 tq. But in 2013 up, the 2 cyl got a 998 which is 100 hp and 80 tq. Still not much difference, but something that most don't consider.

Are they basically the same engine?

 

[Peter Aawen]

Are they basically the same engine?

Yes. The change was made to give the newer & slightly heavier RT's better torque to get it all up & racing. :thumbup:

For my 2 bob's worth re the V-twins vs 1330 Triples, the V-twins are lighter machines with a higher revving, more responsive, & peppier motor in them that, when used & rev'ed properly, can be a lot more 'exciting' to ride; while the Triples, which undeniably have great torque all the way from down low in the rev range pretty much right out to their (lower) red line, are juuust a little 'lazier'. That's not saying that the Triples are 'a slug' by any means, they really aren't; but it is saying that when comparing the two, riding them to their full capabilities & closer to their engine's limits, the V-twin is 'more exciting' than the Triple. And if you get a good ECU Upgrade done on your V-twin Spyder, that becomes even more pronounced & noticeable, even when compared to a similarly upgraded 1330! hyea:

But then, I might be just a little biased - despite searching, I haven't yet found a 1330 Spyder that can equal or exceed my lighter & more responsive 2013 V-twin RT..... the model that hit the streets with the 'improved' frame & suspension already set-up for the 1330; and that applies especially now that it's had Jase from ECU Xtreme wave his magic wand over the ECU after a few intake/exhaust mods to enhance the gains there, plus a few easy suspension mods & fitting 'proper tires' instead of the 'poor excuses for black round things to keep the metal off the ground' that they leave the factory with!

 

[VStarRider]

I wonder what the deal was with BRP starting out with these 990+ motors. I know they are used in the Aprilias, which are high revving performance bikes. Did BRP not know who their buyers were going to be when they launched the Spyder? Most ended up being cruiser/touring types, obviously, which this motor is not the best match for. With all of the planning that went into these in the beginning, hard to imagine something as significant as the engine was not a primary factor in the design ... one would not think that they forgot about the powerplant and at the last minute said, "oh crap, go to the Rotax factory and pick one of the shelf!" From the lens of a novice Spyder owner, it looks like the 1330 was a response to the consumers that ended up being their primary purchasers ... that is indicated by the elimination of all but three models now, two of which are touring-based.

 

[KX5062]

BRP own(s)ed Rotax and used an off the shelf motor that they deemed the most appropriate for the design to save costs. As I understand it, BRP was waaaay over budget in developing the Spyder in the first place because of software issues working to integrate all of the safety systems. After they had several years of solid sales they developed the new ACE platform, which crosses into the UTVs', again to save on costs.

 

[blacklightning]

I wonder what the deal was with BRP starting out with these 990+ motors. I know they are used in the Aprilias, which are high revving performance bikes. Did BRP not know who their buyers were going to be when they launched the Spyder? Most ended up being cruiser/touring types, obviously, which this motor is not the best match for. With all of the planning that went into these in the beginning, hard to imagine something as significant as the engine was not a primary factor in the design ... one would not think that they forgot about the powerplant and at the last minute said, "oh crap, go to the Rotax factory and pick one of the shelf!" From the lens of a novice Spyder owner, it looks like the 1330 was a response to the consumers that ended up being their primary purchasers ... that is indicated by the elimination of all but three models now, two of which are touring-based.

You should keep in mind that in 2008 and 2009, the spyder was only offered in a sport mode. In that variation, the 990 was a very good choice. Things got going towards the touring market in 2010. Although it took a while for them to develope the 1330, the 990 and 998 versions of the VTwin did very well.

 

[Peter Aawen]

What was the deal with the 990's initially?!? Well, the initial Spyders released were the 'more sporty' GS & then RS, RSS models; & that was a great start, got a fair few people interested..... but then (just like it occurred with the big Harley's & the Honda Gold Wings) a largish percentage of BRP's buyers started telling them that they wanted tourers with panniers etc; and that, especially in the North American market, they didn't really like the higher revving motors, simply because many riders just weren't used to & didn't appreciate the higher revving V-twins, often because they didn't want to or know how to take advantage of that feature of the engine design properly. :banghead:

So after introducing the ST's & RT's in 2010 to satisfy the desire for tourers & extra storage, desires that only grew from there (just like it did with the big Harley's & the Honda Gold Wings); and noting that the issues caused by not properly using &/or appreciating the higher revving motors were also continuing to grow; BRP's introduction of the torquier but lower revving 1330 cc Triple engine with 6 speed SE & an oil over hydraulic clutch in 2014 to meet that desire for storage & lessen the clutch issues caused by mis-using the higher revving motors was a obviously a logical step. :lecturef_smilie:

Then F3's came along, initially to fill the growing demand for 'naked cruiser' style machines, only it wasn't too long before they too ended up scoring panniers & trunks & getting loaded up with creature comforts to satisfy the demands of the buying public (just like the big Harley's & the Honda Gold Wings did)..... so the F3-T's & F3-Ltd's, along with the optioned up RT's & RT Ltd's will probably just keep on selling to meet the demand from the larger but increasingly aging portion of the Spyder buying public.... just like the big Harley's & the Honda Gold Wings did - at least until that portion of the buying public start to think they're getting too old to keep riding &/or dying off and the market for those machines starts to dwindle (just like it already has started for the big Harley's & the Honda Gold Wings) while the dedicated few who appreciate the peppier & more exciting V-Twins simply won't 'upgrade' to the heavier & lazier machines, and neither will those who still appreciate the sportier F3's either.... at least, not until that portion of the buying public also starts to think that they're ge..... oh, hang on, I already said that!!

Maybe the Rykers were a 'serious' attempt at attracting a younger & potential growth market; but 'seriously' BRP, if you want to chase an aging buying population into their grave & your own demise instead of building & selling roadsters that actually WILL attract a younger demographic & potential growth market..... :gaah:

So where are all the sporty plug in hybrid/electric adventure/touring on/off road machines?! :dontknow: