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wyliec
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Pete,
You may find this quote interesting, from an article I found:
"Helmet usage itself does not preclude the occurrence of the coup-contrecoup type brain injury that is suffered in most head injuries. This paper presents an overview of the anatomy of the brain and mechanisms of head injury in non-technical terms to provide an understanding of this problem. As motorcycling comes under closer scrutiny this information will be needed to answer to those who would place unreasonable restriction on motorcycling."
In case you're not familiar with coup and counter-coup which ends up being a TBI (traumatic brain injury), coup is the impact site where your brain hits the skull first, and counter-coup is the opposite site where your brain swings back and hits the skull. So, what you have said that I have bolded makes sense. However, there are other factors in play here like facial damage, to name one. I'm sorry, I didn't go back and read every post, so facial damage may have been mentioned. All that being said, I wear a full face, and make my gf wear one, or don't ride. As for preaching to others, wear whatever you want. I'm sure this topic will come up again in a couple weeks.
Folks..... you do know that most helmets have removable/replaceable padding to have a custom fit. The Neotec that I got was too tight around the cheeks and too loose around the crown. I ordered thinner cheek padding and thicker padding around the crown. Now it fits perfectly!
Arai has tear away padding 5mm increments.
Arai has tear away padding 5mm increments.
Peteoz
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Thanks Guys, there’s some good points there. However, I have heard every one of them before and took all of them into consideration when making my decision (including trauma room photos and reports
). Yes, there is an added risk of chin/nasal type injury with the 7/8, but I have also seen two instances of the chin bar cracking on a full face, with horrific results.
It was an informed decision (made over a long period of time) on my part to go with the 7/8 Shoei and Schuberth helmets, and I feel very safe and very comfortable in them. Thanks for the feedback.
Pete
). Yes, there is an added risk of chin/nasal type injury with the 7/8, but I have also seen two instances of the chin bar cracking on a full face, with horrific results. It was an informed decision (made over a long period of time) on my part to go with the 7/8 Shoei and Schuberth helmets, and I feel very safe and very comfortable in them. Thanks for the feedback.
Pete
M109Dreamer
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Well crap, I have the first version. I hope it will still fit well then. I had that I don't have anywhere near me to try them on before hand. I have to buy then exchange, sometimes several times to get the correct one.
Peteoz
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I could get the series 3 on, but it was really tight in a couple of spots compared to the series 2. Way too tight that it would loosen a bit......and since I was wearing the largest size (XL), I couldn’t try the “next size up”, which may have been perfect. Boy, was I pissed. There I was, having found the perfect helmet for me, and suddenly it was gone once the Series 2 wore out.
Pete.
Wow...that is a totally different but valid point...and thanks. We spend so much time on these machine and in the sun, in the process of trying to get cooler we put our facial skin at risk...another positive for a modular helmet.
Stogeylink
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After having a run-in with a small tree in 1976 and looking at the right side of my helmet pealed down like a banana, I went with the Bell statement of "If you have a $10 head, buy a $10 helmet". From then on, I stayed with Bell and have a Bell Star full face now that is my favorite. I'm new to the Spyder community but, so far, I have loved this machine. It just works and gives satisfaction. Besides, my wife said it had to be a trike this time due to some sever leg injuries from 2003. She just didn't say which trike...LOL! She actually loves it too and I wouldn't be surprised to see a pair of them after a while. Hoping to spend some time in the wind this spring as I am semi-retired and looking for day trips and over-night getaways for the wife and I. Hope to see you all on the road.
ofdave
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about 10 years ago I used to ride once in a while with a guy who's brother was in a mild accident.
He was wearing a 3/4 helmet and suffered major damage to his chin, bottom jaw, and left cheek bones as a result. His brother had pics of him after the surgeries and during the healing process. After seeing those pics, I got my first modular helmet 2 days later. The damage was shocking. Even more shocking was that there was minimal damage to the rest of him, minor road rash, and no broken bones except for the lower jaw and cheek bones, but his front teeth were gone and lips destroyed.
You'll never find me in anything other than a modular or full face ever again.
The risk to take is up to the rider.
As far as riding wearing a modular with it being open-that's just stupid. They are not meant to be worn that way. Do a get off and have the open front get dragged on the ground and see what happens to your neck. Just dumb.
He was wearing a 3/4 helmet and suffered major damage to his chin, bottom jaw, and left cheek bones as a result. His brother had pics of him after the surgeries and during the healing process. After seeing those pics, I got my first modular helmet 2 days later. The damage was shocking. Even more shocking was that there was minimal damage to the rest of him, minor road rash, and no broken bones except for the lower jaw and cheek bones, but his front teeth were gone and lips destroyed.
You'll never find me in anything other than a modular or full face ever again.
The risk to take is up to the rider.
As far as riding wearing a modular with it being open-that's just stupid. They are not meant to be worn that way. Do a get off and have the open front get dragged on the ground and see what happens to your neck. Just dumb.
we all take calculated risks being on these machines....with the spyder i'm a little more relaxed compared to when I was on a full bike...but still wear a full faced helmet. Problem is we can calculate some risks but there are other things that are out of are control....when crap hits the fan it can be bad....be prepared for that and except those risks with choices we all make
M109Dreamer
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I have the XL as well and see they don't make an XXL........grrrrrrrrr
Peteoz
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Make sure you try one on first, M109. Your head may be a different shape to mine and it may fit you perfectly. My brain is obviously much smaller than yours too, as I am both stupid AND dumb according to ofdave
. Strangely, being insulted didn’t actually swing me around to his way of thinking :thumbup:Pete
ofdave
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Make sure you try one on first, M109. Your head may be a different shape to mine and it may fit you perfectly. My brain is obviously much smaller than yours too, as I am both stupid AND dumb according to ofdave
Pete
was not singling you out, stated my thoughts based on my experiences
what an ego to think I was specifically talking about you
It's your head and your life-you do what you feel is right for you-it's your decision, not mine.
I really don't give a rat's rear end.
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Peteoz
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Ofdave - “As far as riding wearing a modular with it being open-that's just stupid. They are not meant to be worn that way. Do a get off and have the open front get dragged on the ground and see what happens to your neck. Just dumb.”
Have a re-read of what you wrote above. I wore a modular Shark, sometimes open, which you say is “just stupid”. I ride with a 7/8 open face, which you say is “just dumb”. That means that you are indeed including me in your “general” insults above.
I, and others, have made a call based on well researched risk assessments for particular individual situations. You are of course entitled to a differing opinion, but to call those decisions stupid and dumb just because they don’t match your own beliefs says a great deal. Ego? My goodness :shocked:
Pete
ofdave
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I stand by my opinion as expressed in my statement. Riding while wearing a modular with it being open is stupid.
Your Shark (I surmise it is the Evoline Series 3 model), when open, has the front laid back against the rear of the helmet-not sticking up in the air. Worn as such it becomes an open face as is noted in the description of it on the Shark website. One only needs to see a pic of it to understand the difference between the Evoline Series 3 and a typical modular helmet which was/is the subject of my comment.
Again, wearing open face helmets, to me, is just dumb. As I mentioned, having seen the damage to a face from wearing one in a crash, it is a risk I am not willing to take. And an opinion I continue to hold.
As far as insulting, well that's your take. My comments, as you noted, are my "differing opinion".
I am not insulted when I read "differing opinions" from mine. Good grief, if we all felt that, our entire lives would be spent being insulted. My time on this planet is too short for me to be concerned with or feel insulted by every comment made which does not align with my take on a subject. Give that a try-you'll sleep better and smile more.
Your Shark (I surmise it is the Evoline Series 3 model), when open, has the front laid back against the rear of the helmet-not sticking up in the air. Worn as such it becomes an open face as is noted in the description of it on the Shark website. One only needs to see a pic of it to understand the difference between the Evoline Series 3 and a typical modular helmet which was/is the subject of my comment.
Again, wearing open face helmets, to me, is just dumb. As I mentioned, having seen the damage to a face from wearing one in a crash, it is a risk I am not willing to take. And an opinion I continue to hold.
As far as insulting, well that's your take. My comments, as you noted, are my "differing opinion".
I am not insulted when I read "differing opinions" from mine. Good grief, if we all felt that, our entire lives would be spent being insulted. My time on this planet is too short for me to be concerned with or feel insulted by every comment made which does not align with my take on a subject. Give that a try-you'll sleep better and smile more.
Peteoz
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I am not insulted when I read "differing opinions" from mine. Good grief, if we all felt that, our entire lives would be spent being insulted. My time on this planet is too short for me to be concerned with or feel insulted by every comment made which does not align with my take on a subject. Give that a try-you'll sleep better and smile more.
dave, I am NEVER insulted by someone’s differing opinion. I welcome them as they often provide more input to be considered. It’s just that I don’t believe those opinions need to include labels like “stupid” or “dumb” just because the opinion differs from your own.....unfortunately though, some people just can’t help themselves.......and it would be hard for me to laugh more and sleep better, so there’s no need to be concerned about that
Pete
ofdave
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dave, I am NEVER insulted by someone’s differing opinion. I welcome them as they often provide more input to be considered. It’s just that I don’t believe those opinions need to include labels like “stupid” or “dumb” just because the opinion differs from your own.....unfortunately though, some people just can’t help themselves.......and it would be hard for me to laugh more and sleep better, so there’s no need to be concerned about that
Pete
if you had seen the face of the man injured wearing his half helmet, there is no doubt in my mind you would feel the same.
when I see behavior with disregard to the potential serious negative results for that behavior, I do not consider it sane, educated, intelligent, or reasonable and express my opinion accordingly.
Glad you sleep well, it is a treat.
Peteoz
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if you had seen the face of the man injured wearing his half helmet, there is no doubt in my mind you would feel the same.
when I see behavior with disregard to the potential serious negative results for that behavior, I do not consider it sane, educated, intelligent, or reasonable and express my opinion accordingly.
Glad you sleep well, it is a treat.
Hang in there Dave. Hopefully the penny will drop eventually :shocked:.
Pete
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