3/4 Lids I am torn...

[jaherbst]

NOT to rain on your Parade :shocked:...

But I'd feel as if I wasn't doing my job; if I didn't post this;

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Ignore it or not: the choice is yours to make.

As you can see by Bob's illustration most impact is on the chin and face area in M/C accidents. A fellow Pilot and Classmate of mine had a terrible accident with his son on the back. Car made a left hand turn and he broadsided it. He was wearing a 3/4 helmet and spent the next 6 months in the hospital while they built a new jaw with teeth a little at a time. I would never ever wear anything but a full face helmet or let a passenger do so. Small inconvenience for the safety it provides. His son went over the car and did survive with near fatal injuries.



Please reconsider. Thanks Bob for the study/illustration.

​Jack

 

[Mach123]

As you can see by Bob's illustration most impact is on the chin and face area in M/C accidents. A fellow Pilot and Classmate of mine had a terrible accident with his son on the back. Car made a left hand turn and he broadsided it. He was wearing a 3/4 helmet and spent the next 6 months in the hospital while they built a new jaw with teeth a little at a time. I would never ever wear anything but a full face helmet or let a passenger do so. Small inconvenience for the safety it provides. His son went over the car and did survive with near fatal injuries.



Please reconsider. Thanks Bob for the study/illustration.

​Jack

hi guys/gals
i have been reading lots, but after this comment I had to post. I would agree 100% on a full face also as I had an bike accident 20 yrs ago with a car and only part that was ok was my head as body was 80% road rash, 12 months in hospital 37 operations lower right leg amputation and helmet was trashed but not even a head concussion. So wife will let me buy a spyder now and so I bought the Daytona 500 and will also be looking at a great full face and hand brake as it was right leg amputated. So yes the head is worth saving....great site and maybe 1day run into a few people on spiders....

 

[PW2013STL]

We've been searching for helmets also. It's difficult as not many places by us have any selection of 3/4 helmets. So when we attended the motorcycle show in January we found all the brand's to try on. I thought the shoei was the ticket until I came across the Aria CTZ model. That's what we decided to buy. They're about the same money as Shoei too. I really liked the fit and so did my SO. In other helmets I've felt like my ears were being smashed against my head but not with the Arai's, nice ear pockets and good spaces for communication systems. Good luck with your search. Chris

I agree 100%. The Aria CTZ is what we have and the fit and finish is second to none.

 

[Bob Denman]

 

[DDT]

We were going to go to a 3/4 but after seeing Bob's picture we decided to stay with a modular.

 

[2dogs]

It will make communicating on your Sena much clearer if you have a modular. It is hard to cut out the wind noise on a 3/4. Have you looked at those helmets that have the removable chin bar? They aren't cheap but would allow you to go with the 3/4 feel when you want and the full face/modular at other times. I think BRP has one.

That's the Shark helmet.

 

[Peteoz]

We were going to go to a 3/4 but after seeing Bob's picture we decided to stay with a modular.

Don’t just go by Bob’s picture to make that call, DDT. That is a very old research paper, and there is a lot more recent research that calls it into question. Do some of your own research. I was going to go modular or full face after seeing that picture, but further research showed me (and I stress “ME”, not necessarily “YOU”), that the new 3/4 helmets with the extended chin guards and full length visors provided both protection and improved vision that I was happy with. I would never ride in one of the old fashioned 3/4 helmets, but the Arai CTZ, the Schuberth and the Shoei 3/4 are a different item altogether.
Pete

 

[Peteoz]

p.s. I have never had any trouble communication via my Sena or my Uclear using either the Schuberth or Shoei 3/4 helmets.

Pete

 

[M109Dreamer]

I have had this one for 5 years and will be replacing it with another one this season. Its not as quiet as my full face but in the summer I like being able to run a 3/4 without the chin piece sticking in the air and pushing my head around. And when I get caught in weather, I can just flip the chin piece over and lock it down.

https://us.shark-helmets.com/collections/evoline-series-3

 

[Peteoz]

I have had this one for 5 years and will be replacing it with another one this season. Its not as quiet as my full face but in the summer I like being able to run a 3/4 without the chin piece sticking in the air and pushing my head around. And when I get caught in weather, I can just flip the chin piece over and lock it down.

https://us.shark-helmets.com/collections/evoline-series-3

Yeah, in my opinion, the smartest helmet ever made, M109:thumbup:. Unfortunately, they changed the headshape between the series 2 and the series 3, and the 3 was too tight in the largest size they make.....bugger.....

Pete

 

[JP58]

I have a shoei j-cruise. It's a nice fit and comfortable. Also my sena 20s fits good. The shield go's way down low so mike on sena is good. Has built in sun visor. I do have a taller recurve windshield on my RTS.

 

[jaherbst]

A little common sense goes a long way. The 3/4 with the face Shield is also not very safe. Ask someone who has actually had an accident with one. When doing a face plant or "Cranial Perch" the helmet/helmut will always violently tilt forward and the bottom of the shield will dig into your throat. Even if it does not cut your throat it will do severe damage to your "adams apple" and windpipe.

With three emergency Doctors in my immediate family I always get the weekly report on motorcycle accidents, helmets and deaths. I don't ask for these but they never pass up a chance to point this out.

Life itself is a risk and riding M/C's for me is part of it. Why not be as safe as you can so you can come home to those who love you most.

Jack

 

[MOSESS]

Thank you

common sense or a preference. from reading all the posts there are some that feel a full safe is the best way to go based on safety and there are those that feel the 3/4 is a very good solution for them. in the summer I can see why one would go with a 3/4. the rest of the year a full face is the only option. okay after 3 hours in a shop trying on lids I am was tired and still could not decide.

 

[loisk]

Best tip I was given was to try on a helmet in store, and leave it on - walk around for half an hour.

Ignoring this has left me with many uncomfortable helmets on my shelf ...

Following this has led to many "essential" purchases whilst walking around the store ...:shocked::sour::sour:

 

[Peteoz]

A little common sense goes a long way. The 3/4 with the face Shield is also not very safe. Ask someone who has actually had an accident with one. When doing a face plant or "Cranial Perch" the helmet/helmut will always violently tilt forward and the bottom of the shield will dig into your throat. Even if it does not cut your throat it will do severe damage to your "adams apple" and windpipe.

With three emergency Doctors in my immediate family I always get the weekly report on motorcycle accidents, helmets and deaths. I don't ask for these but they never pass up a chance to point this out.

Life itself is a risk and riding M/C's for me is part of it. Why not be as safe as you can so you can come home to those who love you most.

Jack

I really would like to see examples of your quoted “cutting your throat” or “damaging your windpipe” occurrences, Jack. With your head bent forward at its maximum angle, the bottom of the Shoei 3/4 shield actually rests on your breastbone, way below your throat and wind pipe.......and a full face and modular helmet rests in exactly the same position, so they, with the firm bottom edge, would also impact your breastbone. I have never seen any examples of that in any of the research I have done.....and I have done plenty. That’s not to say that under some bizarre circumstance it hasn’t happened, but under bizarre circumstances, full face helmets have caused severe neck injuries.

I stress that I am not talking about the old fashioned 3/4 helmets here, but the newer, extended cheekguard models. Maybe we should call them 7/8 helmets.

The 7/8 helmets provide me with significantly better vision (and I believe better vision on a motorbike is always safer vision) than full face helmets, and with the jury still out on exactly whether a full face is better than a 7/8 in preventing head trauma occasioning death, I do indeed believe I am indeed being “as safe as I can”, despite your intimation that using anything other than a full face or modular is not using “common sense”.

Pete

 

[Bob Denman]

Best tip I was given was to try on a helmet in store, and leave it on - walk around for half an hour.

Ignoring this has left me with many uncomfortable helmets on my shelf ...

Following this has led to many "essential" purchases whilst walking around the store ...:shocked::sour::sour:

But were the Store Security personnel keeping a close eye on you??

 

[andytexas]

Here's another take on helmets I'm going to be 74 shortly and have been riding since I was 13. I spent a lot of time riding you know fun in the sun and live in south Texas and can ride everyday. I used mostly 3/4 helmets. My doctor noticed 5 spots of cancer on my face (you know fun in the sun). She recommended that I switch to a full face or modular.

 

[Bob Denman]

I'm not saying that you're gonna leak all of your brains out through an ear-hole; if you don't wear a Snell Approved full-face helmet...

And I'm not saying that the aforementioned helmet will protect you from any and all harm...

But I AM saying that you should probably pick out a helmet that fits you comfortably.. and wear it! :thumbup:

 

[jaherbst]

Well let's start at the beginning. Any helmet is safer than no helmet, right? Ever wonder why all the pro-racers both motorcycle and auto never wear anything but full face helmets. Their is a reason. They of course crash more often. You should be able to read between the lines. Comfort vs Safety is probably what this is all about. The choice is yours. Ain't it nice to ride in a free country!

Jack

 

[jaherbst]

I really would like to see examples of your quoted “cutting your throat” or “damaging your windpipe” occurrences, Jack. With your head bent forward at its maximum angle, the bottom of the Shoei 3/4 shield actually rests on your breastbone, way below your throat and wind pipe.......and a full face and modular helmet rests in exactly the same position, so they, with the firm bottom edge, would also impact your breastbone. I have never seen any examples of that in any of the research I have done.....and I have done plenty. That’s not to say that under some bizarre circumstance it hasn’t happened, but under bizarre circumstances, full face helmets have caused severe neck injuries.

I stress that I am not talking about the old fashioned 3/4 helmets here, but the newer, extended cheekguard models. Maybe we should call them 7/8 helmets.

The 7/8 helmets provide me with significantly better vision (and I believe better vision on a motorbike is always safer vision) than full face helmets, and with the jury still out on exactly whether a full face is better than a 7/8 in preventing head trauma occasioning death, I do indeed believe I am indeed being “as safe as I can”, despite your intimation that using anything other than a full face or modular is not using “common sense”.

Pete

Pete, simply visit any emergency room and discuss this with any Emergency Room Doctor. Emergency Medicine is a specialty and they see it all. Ask them about which helmet they would recommend. You probably already know the answer.

​Jack