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2024 will Crank, but just won't start! More later...
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iSilentP
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Hello Peter,DON'T USE A TRICKLE CHARGER OR EVEN A TENDER all the time!!
You seem to be very knowledgeable on many subjects, so I respect your opinion on such matters so I wonder if you can enlighten me (and others) about your comment "DON'T USE A TRICKLE CHARGER OR EVEN A TENDER all the time!!"?.
I always thought that hooking a charger/maintainer on the battery all the time would help maintain the health of the battery and therefore a good habit.
Specifically I have this unit:
https://no.co/genius1
With the following capabilities/features:
NOCO GENIUS1, 1A Smart Car Battery Charger, 6V and 12V Automotive Charger, Battery Maintainer, Trickle Charger, Float Charger and Desulfator for Motorcycle, ATV, Lithium and Deep Cycle Batteries
If you have a read of the numerous posts & threads here on the Forum about the hazards of running tenders ALL the time, ie. if you're not riding, it's on a tender, then it shouldn't take too long to realise that doing this often hides a dying or dead battery. The better quality tender/maintainers (like your NOCO GENIUS) don't usually do this quite so often, but they too are reported as doing this over time.
Basically, if it's on a tender ALL (or nearly all) the time you're not riding, ANY tender, &/or if you've left it on a tender for an extended period, if you rock up, take it off the tender, and start it up; you just won't know if that was your battery being up to the task, or simply the residual 'higher state of charge' left over from so recently taking it off the tender that always occurs!! If it WAS the latter and you've done this, started up on a false state of charge and then ridden away from home, then the first time you'll likely know that your battery is no longer up to starting your vehicle too well (if at all!) will be out there somewhere, once you've left home, ridden away, stopped for a while, and then you try to start it up again - unsuccessfully!! Maybe this won't happen every time, but it's happened often enough, as reported here - often! If your battery is getting tired & old & not holding charge for long any more, don't you want to know that BEFORE you're out somewhere, possibly miles away from home &/or help??
So if you are going to ride your Spyder/Ryker/car/whatever within a week or so, just leave it off the tender - ANY tender!! And if it's been ON a tender for a while, even just a few days, a week, or an extended layover, and you're planning on riding soon, take it off the tender a few days beforehand so that the battery can settle to ITS 'normal state of charge', and not just the Tender induced 'higher state of charge' that has little real grunt behind it and will disappear completely the very first time it's used! By doing that, if your battery isn't quite as robust as it used to be, you might notice the hesitation &/or the slower cranking, you might even see some of the other warning signs BEFORE you get too far away from home or help, but at least it shouldn't be when you're way out there somewhere inconvenient &/or far from help!
Just Sayin'
juscuz
Member
Any updates on the crank but no start problem? Did the second fuel pump solve the issue? A friend has a '22 RTL with the same problem.Update: Fuel pump was replaced again. Dealer said it is good to go. Just waiting on a panel to arrive to replace the one they scratched. Only 2 fuel pumps bad in all of Spyder land and I got both of them.My luck.
So far, second fuel pump has solved the problem.
Once again, I spoke too soon. Spyder is back in the shop. Fuel pump issues... again. It will be for sale after this "fix".
Snoking1127
Well-known member
Hmmm, the Spyder has a fair amount of paralytic current draw when just setting unused. Which will draw the battery down over time. This the first time I have hear someone state that leaving batteries at float voltage is not good for them. Lots of companies have designed many varieties chargers that go to float voltage.If you have a read of the numerous posts & threads here on the Forum about the hazards of running tenders ALL the time, ie. if you're not riding, it's on a tender, then it shouldn't take too long to realise that doing this often hides a dying or dead battery. The better quality tender/maintainers (like your NOCO GENIUS) don't usually do this quite so often, but they too are reported as doing this over time.
Basically, if it's on a tender ALL (or nearly all) the time you're not riding, ANY tender, &/or if you've left it on a tender for an extended period, if you rock up, take it off the tender, and start it up; you just won't know if that was your battery being up to the task, or simply the residual 'higher state of charge' left over from so recently taking it off the tender that always occurs!! If it WAS the latter and you've done this, started up on a false state of charge and then ridden away from home, then the first time you'll likely know that your battery is no longer up to starting your vehicle too well (if at all!) will be out there somewhere, once you've left home, ridden away, stopped for a while, and then you try to start it up again - unsuccessfully!! Maybe this won't happen every time, but it's happened often enough, as reported here - often! If your battery is getting tired & old & not holding charge for long any more, don't you want to know that BEFORE you're out somewhere, possibly miles away from home &/or help??
So if you are going to ride your Spyder/Ryker/car/whatever within a week or so, just leave it off the tender - ANY tender!! And if it's been ON a tender for a while, even just a few days, a week, or an extended layover, and you're planning on riding soon, take it off the tender a few days beforehand so that the battery can settle to ITS 'normal state of charge', and not just the Tender induced 'higher state of charge' that has little real grunt behind it and will disappear completely the very first time it's used! By doing that, if your battery isn't quite as robust as it used to be, you might notice the hesitation &/or the slower cranking, you might even see some of the other warning signs BEFORE you get too far away from home or help, but at least it shouldn't be when you're way out there somewhere inconvenient &/or far from help!
Just Sayin'
I had a bank of 6 6V 260ah batteries in series/parallel in my boat that lasted 11 years. They were charged by a Heart inverter's built in charger that went to float. The boat was actually use a fraction of time in those 11 years, and the charger was on keeping them at float voltage. The two 12V batteries in my 5th wheel are 6 or 7 years old, the converter keeps them at float voltage, until a good load is applied.
My Spyders are on a tenders when not going to be used again in the next few days. Been doing that since fall of 2020 have not had any "early" battery failures.
So your thoughts on battery tenders seems to go against a lot of engineering that goes into the design and purpose of battery tenders.
Just Sayin'
The only 2 times I got stranded was when it came off the tender and then an 8 mile drive to Wally world and no crank. Got it jumped and back home to the tender. 3 days later and battery was according to the tender fully charged, same ride same result. The new battery turned 5 in June and has never seen a tender. I ride year around. If a battery wont start after taken off the charger for a week; time for a new battery. Strand me at home please!
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